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Re: Daft as Einstein eh!

From	Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Daft as Einstein eh!
Date	2019-01-29 12:03 +1100
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On 29/01/2019 1:15 am, Keith Stein wrote:
> On 28/01/2019 11:14, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 28/01/2019 8:37 pm, Keith Stein wrote:
>>> On 28/01/2019 08:26, Sylvia Else wrote:
> 
>>>> Michelson Morley was all about measuring the Earth's speed through 
>>>> the medium that light was thought to propagate through. They 
>>>> consistently got a result indistinguishable from zero. Even at 
>>>> different times of year.
>>>
>>> Of course, because there is no ether flying through
>>> Michelson's laboratory at any time of the year. In
>>> the original experiment the medium was the air in
>>> their laboratory, and although the experiment was
>>> repeated with the apparatus inside a vacuum chamber,
>>> this of course made no difference to the result, because
>>> the medium was the matter which remained within the
>>> vacuum chamber, which of course defines the same frame
>>> of reference as the vacuum chamber itself.
> 
>> So what about light travelling through interplanetary space? That's 
>> not completely devoid of matter, so your model would imply that it 
>> travels at the speed of light relative to that matter which will not 
>> be the same as its speed relative to us.
> 
> Correct, but because the speed of light is very much greater
> than the speed of the interplanetary medium the difference
> will not be very great.
> 
>> Yet if its speed relative to us is not the speed of light, our 
>> calculations of where we should expect to see the other planets will 
>> be wrong, because they assume a specific transit time. That effect is 
>> noticeably absent. Your model needs to explain that absence.
> 
> The velocity of light relative to us at any point on light's journey to
> us will be the vector addition of the velocity of light (near enough c),
> and the velocity of the medium. So to calculate the effect of the
> medium you would need to know the magnitude and direction of the 
> velocity of the medium relative to Earth at all points. The calculation
> would be a bit tricky, but if you think you have data which shows this 
> can not be right, do post a reference Sylvia, and i will gladly take a 
> look at it.
> 
>> Your model is also going to run into problems with extremely high 
>> vacuums, where the matter consists of particles moving at speed in 
>> random directions. How is light to determine what its speed should be 
>> relative to?
> 
> Like most pre-20th century physics theories, Maxwell's e-m theory is a
> macroscopic theory, which implies that the medium is treated as
> continuous. The theory does of course break down at the atomic scale,
> but for most considerations the Solar system is well big enough for the
> macroscopic approximation to be applied without significant loss of
> accuracy eh!
> 
> keith stein
> 
>> Sylvia.
> 

You seem to be arguing in favour of a kind of aether dragging model, 
except in your model, matter substitutes for the aether, no matter how 
tenuous the matter.

Such a model faces the same obstacles as the aether dragging model did. 
It was impossible to make it fit the experimental evidence without 
introducing ever more implausible assumptions about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_drag_hypothesis

For your model to be viable, you would have to address all the issues 
that faced physicists in the pre-relativity era. In the end, they were 
not successful.

Sylvia.

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Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 12:36 +0000
  Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-27 05:01 -0800
    Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 15:30 +0000
      Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-27 08:21 -0800
      Re: Daft as Einstein eh! yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2019-01-27 11:15 -0800
        Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 21:38 +0000
          Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-27 16:33 -0800
            Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 18:36 +0000
              Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-28 11:33 -0800
              Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2019-01-28 22:07 -0600
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 08:07 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-29 04:47 -0800
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 13:00 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! maluwozniak@gmail.com - 2019-01-30 06:59 -0800
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Python <python@python.invalid> - 2019-01-31 00:34 +0100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 15:42 -0800
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! maluwozniak@gmail.com - 2019-01-30 23:10 -0800
          Re: Daft as Einstein eh! yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2019-01-27 18:36 -0800
          Re: Daft as Einstein eh! yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2019-01-27 19:07 -0800
            Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 18:57 +0000
              Re: Daft as Einstein eh! yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2019-01-28 11:21 -0800
  Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2019-01-27 10:10 -0600
    Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 17:53 +0000
    Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 14:15 -0800
  Re: Daft as Einstein eh! JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 12:05 -0800
    Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 22:12 +0000
      Re: Daft as Einstein eh! JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2019-01-27 16:23 -0800
      Re: Daft as Einstein eh! kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2019-01-28 07:42 -0800
      Re: Daft as Einstein eh! kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2019-01-31 14:21 -0800
        Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 03:48 +0000
          Re: Daft as Einstein eh! kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2019-02-01 08:29 -0800
            Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-02 07:48 +0000
              Re: Daft as Einstein eh! kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2019-02-02 11:59 -0800
    Re: Daft as Einstein eh! maluwozniak@gmail.com - 2019-01-27 23:10 -0800
  Re: Daft as Einstein eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-27 14:03 -0800
  Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-01-28 11:29 +1100
    Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 02:43 +0000
      Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-01-28 14:12 +1100
        Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 07:58 +0000
          Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-01-28 19:26 +1100
            Re: Daft as Einstein eh! maluwozniak@gmail.com - 2019-01-28 00:38 -0800
            Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 09:37 +0000
              Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-01-28 22:14 +1100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 14:15 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2019-01-28 07:46 -0800
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 17:15 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2019-01-28 11:13 -0800
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-28 09:07 -0800
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 18:10 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-28 11:19 -0800
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-01-29 12:03 +1100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 09:29 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-01-29 21:42 +1100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2019-01-30 15:31 +0100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 16:00 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2019-01-30 20:45 +0100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 22:28 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 23:33 +0000
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                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2019-01-31 10:57 +0100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-01-31 12:21 +1100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 06:24 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-01-31 20:06 +1100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 12:32 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-01 08:33 +1100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2019-01-31 07:23 -0800
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Káèek Cnemu <upkp@kawpwnus.cv> - 2019-01-31 15:28 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Káèek Cnemu <upkp@kawpwnus.cv> - 2019-01-31 15:31 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-01 12:47 +1100
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                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-04 19:16 +1100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! maluwozniak@gmail.com - 2019-02-04 01:13 -0800
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-05 12:12 +1100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 16:14 +0000
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                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 17:19 +0000
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                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 04:11 +0000
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                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 10:05 +0000
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                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 23:37 +0000
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                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-02 06:02 +0000
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                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-02 17:32 +0000
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                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-02 19:17 +0000
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                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 19:07 +0000
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                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-01-31 20:11 +1100
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          Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-28 03:50 -0800
            Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 19:10 +0000
              Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-28 11:35 -0800
            Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-01 16:44 +1100
              Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 09:17 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-01 21:53 +1100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 14:43 +0000
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                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 21:43 +0000
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                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 22:43 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-02 11:11 +1100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-02 07:13 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-02 22:06 +1100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-03 11:31 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2019-02-03 04:12 -0800
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-03 17:58 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-04 08:25 +1100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-04 10:50 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-04 22:23 +1100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-04 12:11 +0000
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-04 23:33 +1100
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-06 17:13 +1100
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                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-04 15:18 +0000
                Daft as Keith Stein eh! "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2019-02-04 08:51 -0800
                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-05 11:49 +1100
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                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-04 08:13 +1100
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                Re: Daft as Einstein eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2019-02-04 12:02 +0000
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