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Re: Global Warming is a religion

From Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Global Warming is a religion
Date 2018-05-14 07:13 +1000
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On 14/05/2018 6:59 AM, Sergio wrote:
> On 5/13/2018 3:39 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 13/05/2018 4:06 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>> On 5/12/2018 11:31 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 13/05/2018 10:21 AM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>> On 5/12/2018 2:46 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 1:20 AM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/11/2018 11:52 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/05/2018 2:11 PM, James McGinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 1:18:59 PM UTC-7, reber G=emc^2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 12:25:37 PM UTC-7, James McGinn
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 10:55:51 AM UTC-7, reber G=emc^2
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 10:43:02 AM UTC-7,
>>>>>>>>>>>> pnal...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really, Jim, you should be peddling your Snake Oil in another
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forum, you have worn out your welcome in this one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone knows, without a shred of a doubt, that you are just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> another physics Crank with a goofy theory that has neither
>>>>>>>>>>>>> observations nor experiments to offer as evidence to support
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are just another waste of oxygen who is in search of an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> audience, and there is zero chance that you are a physicist
>>>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you don't even know that basics of that branch of science.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Go away, once and for all...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> P.E.Worlds biggest air polluter will tell you the earth needs
>>>>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>>>> dirty coal.Trump is now their big gun. Get the picture Bert
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> CO2 is beneficial.  There is zero evidence that it warms the
>>>>>>>>>>> atmosphere.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Get the picture?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> CO2 acts as an insulating blanket.Heat doesnot leak back into
>>>>>>>>>> space.That is reality of global warming.Bert
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why do you believe that?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **You seem to think that science is a belief system. It isn't. Your
>>>>>>>> beliefs are not relevant. Science involves hypothesis, theory,
>>>>>>>> experiment and proof. The FACT that CO2 acts as a greenhouse gas was
>>>>>>>> proven way back in the 19th century.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> same with Water Vapor, it is a greenhouse gas, and dominates the
>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>> as it is 50%
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Not quite. Water vapour is certainly the dominant GHG, most of the
>>>>>> time and in most places. To say that it's Solar forcing factor is
>>>>>> 50% is
>>>>>> a gross and highly misleading over-simplification. Depending on
>>>>>> location, time of day and year, water vapour's Solar forcing ranges
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> 36% ~ 72%. CO2 ranges from 9% ~ 26%. So yes, water vapour is the
>>>>>> dominant GHG, BUT, to label CO2 as 'insignificant' would be a really
>>>>>> dumb thing to say. CO2 is a significant GHG.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> so water vapor is 3 to 4 time greater than CO2.
>>>>
>>>> **Nope. Read what I wrote. It is not as simplistic as you would want it
>>>> to be. Both gases vary considerably, depending on time of day and from
>>>> year to year. In any case, why do you continue to try to simplify it?
>>>> Just state the facts.
>>>
>>> its ratioed,  36%/9% =4  and 72%/26% = 3   good ballpark of 3 to 4.
>>
>> **This is not 'best guess' stuff. This is science. Your errors are so
>> huge that any predictions of global warming, using your data would be
>> utterly useless. Let's stick the actual data, not your wild approximations.
> 
> 
> The data *you presented* says Water Vapor is 3 to 4 times greater than
> CO2 at glowball warming.

**That is NOT what I presented, you fucking liar.


> 
> get over it.     it is simple math using your data.   google  " ratio "
> 
> guess you do not know math, which means you do not know science either.

**LOL! Let's read further and see how much math you know. See the end of 
this message for your snipped section. Idiot.

> 
> 
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And we cannot do anything about water vapor at all.
>>>>
>>>> **Well, not quite. A warming planet, through excessive CO2 emissions,
>>>> causes more evaporation.
>>>
>>> and more evaporation causes more rain.
>>
>> **It MAY cause more rain, or it may cause more water vapour to remain in
>> the atmosphere.
> 
> so which is it?

**Both.

   and why?

**See: 'The hydrologic cycle'. Google it. It's basic year 10 school 
stuff. Ask a 10 year old, if you can't understand it.

    or are you waiting for me to tell you ?

**I've provided a starting point for you. Off you go. Even your lap-dog, 
benj, might understand it.

> 
>>
>>
>>   so, what are you propose to do
>>> about water vapor ?
>>
>> **You keep asking that question. Refer to my previous responses. When
>> you ask the question again, refer, again, to my previous responses.
> 
> your responce is un-responsive, like a zombie

**Nope. I've already answered your question. Refer to my previous 
'responce' (sic).

> 
> 
>>
>>
>>     nothing, cant, that term cannot be fixed
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> and we cannot do anything about CO2 except 0.1% of it.
>>>>
>>>> **Really? How do you arrive at that figure?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> internet sources, here are some others, do you have any solid ones ?
>>
>> **Cite.
> 
>       you do not have any other evidence to counter 0.1 % CO2

**Cite your source of the 0.1% claim.

> 
> 
>>
>>>
>>> Percentage we are (supposedly) responsible for= 0.1%
>>
>> **Cite.

**Cite.

> 
> 
> 
>>
>>>
>>>    0% is man made.
>>
>> **That would be extremely pedantic of you. Humans are responsible for
>> the release of billions of Tonnes of CO2 in the atmosphere.
>>
>>   The carbon has been on this planet since it was
>>> created.
>>
>> **Duh.
>>
>>
>>   It was once in the air and was captured by plants that later
>>> turned into coal and oil. Man is just releasing back into the air what
>>> was once there in the first place. Right now there is about 380ppm of
>>> CO2 in the air.
>>
>> **BZZTT! It's MUCH closer to 410ppm. It was 380ppm way back in 2006.
> 
> and that is only a  0.038%  or 0.00038 of air.

**And your point is what?


> 
> of that human  contribute less than 3% of that, or .0000114
> 
> parts per MILLION  a trace gas bonehead

**And again: What is your point?

> 
> 
>>
>>
>>   In the past it was over 5000ppm and the earth did just
>>> fine.
>>
>> **Well, it did, except sea levels were several hundred Metres higher
>> than they are today. It was also MUCH hotter. Too hot for human
>> survival.
> 
> URL ?

** 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_sea_level#/media/File:Phanerozoic_Sea_Level.png


   how much hotter ?

** 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_temperature_record#/media/File:65_Myr_Climate_Change.png


    1 degree C ?

** Nope. Nearer 12 degrees C.


   How much higher was the ocean
> in feet ?

**No idea. No scientist on this planet uses such arcane measurements 
anymore. If you want to discuss science, then you need to adopt the 
measurements used in science.

> 
> get to specifics.

**Done. Unlike you, I supplied the requested cites.

> 
> And, to re-state:
>>
>> No one ever claimed that the planet would not be fine with higher
>> atmospheric CO2 levels. The problem is that many humans will experience
>> considerable difficulty with global warming.
>>
>>   No tipping point.
> 
> <snip crap>


**And here is where I unsnip your stupidity How about you answer my 
questions, since I answered all of yours):

**Well, it could be argued that the high CO2 WERE the result of a 
'tipping point'.

 >
 > About 6% comes from human activities , totally overwhelmed by natural
 > sources.

**Huh? If I could obtain a 6% year on year interest on my investments 
for 150 years, I'd be pretty damned happy. Like it or not, humans have 
increased atmospheric CO2 levels by around 43%. That means your 6% is 
VERY significant.

 >
 > So before it was something like 0.3% but over the last 20 years it has
 > risen to 0.4%, and so that is what is causing all the problems...

**What the fuck are you talking about now?

More of your ignorance?

So, what the fuck are you talking about?



-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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