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Re: Global Warming is a religion

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On 13/05/2018 4:06 PM, Sergio wrote:
> On 5/12/2018 11:31 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 13/05/2018 10:21 AM, Sergio wrote:
>>> On 5/12/2018 2:46 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 13/05/2018 1:20 AM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>> On 5/11/2018 11:52 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/05/2018 2:11 PM, James McGinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 1:18:59 PM UTC-7, reber G=emc^2 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 12:25:37 PM UTC-7, James McGinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 10:55:51 AM UTC-7, reber G=emc^2
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 10:43:02 AM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Really, Jim, you should be peddling your Snake Oil in another
>>>>>>>>>>> forum, you have worn out your welcome in this one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone knows, without a shred of a doubt, that you are just
>>>>>>>>>>> another physics Crank with a goofy theory that has neither
>>>>>>>>>>> observations nor experiments to offer as evidence to support it.
>>>>>>>>>>> You are just another waste of oxygen who is in search of an
>>>>>>>>>>> audience, and there is zero chance that you are a physicist since
>>>>>>>>>>> you don't even know that basics of that branch of science.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Go away, once and for all...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> P.E.Worlds biggest air polluter will tell you the earth needs its
>>>>>>>>>> dirty coal.Trump is now their big gun. Get the picture Bert
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CO2 is beneficial.  There is zero evidence that it warms the
>>>>>>>>> atmosphere.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Get the picture?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CO2 acts as an insulating blanket.Heat doesnot leak back into
>>>>>>>> space.That is reality of global warming.Bert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why do you believe that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **You seem to think that science is a belief system. It isn't. Your
>>>>>> beliefs are not relevant. Science involves hypothesis, theory,
>>>>>> experiment and proof. The FACT that CO2 acts as a greenhouse gas was
>>>>>> proven way back in the 19th century.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> same with Water Vapor, it is a greenhouse gas, and dominates the others
>>>>> as it is 50%
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **Not quite. Water vapour is certainly the dominant GHG, most of the
>>>> time and in most places. To say that it's Solar forcing factor is 50% is
>>>> a gross and highly misleading over-simplification. Depending on
>>>> location, time of day and year, water vapour's Solar forcing ranges from
>>>> 36% ~ 72%. CO2 ranges from 9% ~ 26%. So yes, water vapour is the
>>>> dominant GHG, BUT, to label CO2 as 'insignificant' would be a really
>>>> dumb thing to say. CO2 is a significant GHG.
>>>>
>>>
>>> so water vapor is 3 to 4 time greater than CO2.
>>
>> **Nope. Read what I wrote. It is not as simplistic as you would want it
>> to be. Both gases vary considerably, depending on time of day and from
>> year to year. In any case, why do you continue to try to simplify it?
>> Just state the facts.
> 
> its ratioed,  36%/9% =4  and 72%/26% = 3   good ballpark of 3 to 4.

**This is not 'best guess' stuff. This is science. Your errors are so 
huge that any predictions of global warming, using your data would be 
utterly useless. Let's stick the actual data, not your wild approximations.


> 
>>
>>>
>>> And we cannot do anything about water vapor at all.
>>
>> **Well, not quite. A warming planet, through excessive CO2 emissions,
>> causes more evaporation.
> 
> and more evaporation causes more rain.

**It MAY cause more rain, or it may cause more water vapour to remain in 
the atmosphere.


  so, what are you propose to do
> about water vapor ?

**You keep asking that question. Refer to my previous responses. When 
you ask the question again, refer, again, to my previous responses.


    nothing, cant, that term cannot be fixed
> 
>>
>>
>>>
>>> and we cannot do anything about CO2 except 0.1% of it.
>>
>> **Really? How do you arrive at that figure?
>>
>>
> 
> internet sources, here are some others, do you have any solid ones ?

**Cite.

> 
> Percentage we are (supposedly) responsible for= 0.1%

**Cite.

> 
>   0% is man made.

**That would be extremely pedantic of you. Humans are responsible for 
the release of billions of Tonnes of CO2 in the atmosphere.

  The carbon has been on this planet since it was
> created.

**Duh.


  It was once in the air and was captured by plants that later
> turned into coal and oil. Man is just releasing back into the air what
> was once there in the first place. Right now there is about 380ppm of
> CO2 in the air.

**BZZTT! It's MUCH closer to 410ppm. It was 380ppm way back in 2006.


  In the past it was over 5000ppm and the earth did just
> fine.

**Well, it did, except sea levels were several hundred Metres higher 
than they are today. It was also MUCH hotter. Too hot for human 
survival. And, to re-state:

No one ever claimed that the planet would not be fine with higher 
atmospheric CO2 levels. The problem is that many humans will experience 
considerable difficulty with global warming.

  No tipping point.

**Well, it could be argued that the high CO2 WERE the result of a 
'tipping point'.

> 
> About 6% comes from human activities , totally overwhelmed by natural
> sources.

**Huh? If I could obtain a 6% year on year interest on my investments 
for 150 years, I'd be pretty damned happy. Like it or not, humans have 
increased atmospheric CO2 levels by around 43%. That means your 6% is 
VERY significant.

> 
> So before it was something like 0.3% but over the last 20 years it has
> risen to 0.4%, and so that is what is causing all the problems...

**What the fuck are you talking about now?

More of your ignorance?


-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 09:56 -0700
  Global Warming is a religion pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-10 10:42 -0700
    Re: Global Warming is a religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 10:55 -0700
      Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 12:25 -0700
        Re: Global Warming is a religion pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-10 16:06 -0700
          Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 16:30 -0700
            Re: Global Warming is a religion pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-10 17:26 -0700
              Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 18:16 -0700
        Re: Global Warming is a religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 13:18 -0700
          Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-11 15:28 -0500
            Re: Global Warming is a religion benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-11 21:02 -0400
              Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-11 23:03 -0500
          Re: Global Warming is a religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-05-11 14:49 -0700
          Re: Global Warming is a religion benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-11 20:58 -0400
          Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 21:11 -0700
            Re: Global Warming is a religion pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-11 21:42 -0700
            Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-12 14:52 +1000
              Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 10:20 -0500
                Re: Global Warming is a religion benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-12 14:55 -0400
                Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 12:27 -0700
                Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-13 05:46 +1000
                Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 19:21 -0500
                Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-13 14:31 +1000
                Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 01:06 -0500
                Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 06:39 +1000
                Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 15:59 -0500
                Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 07:13 +1000
                Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-16 13:10 -0500
                Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 06:32 +1000
                Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-16 16:05 -0500
                Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 08:27 +1000
                Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-16 20:08 -0500
                Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 13:30 +1000
                Re: Global Warming is a religion benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-16 18:36 -0400
                Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-16 20:14 -0500
              Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 08:36 -0700
                Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-13 05:42 +1000
        Re: Global Warming is a religion Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 19:19 -0700
          Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 08:53 -0700
      Re: Global Warming is a religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-05-10 12:54 -0700
    Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 11:19 -0700
    Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 10:23 -0700
      Re: Global Warming is a religion pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-22 14:35 -0700
        Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 16:28 -0700
  Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-11 13:52 +1000
    Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 07:45 -0700
      Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-12 06:49 +1000
        Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-11 18:27 -0500
          Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-12 11:59 +1000
            Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 00:02 -0500
        Re: Global Warming is a religion benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-11 21:13 -0400
          Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-12 12:00 +1000
            Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 10:25 -0500
              Re: Global Warming is a religion benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-12 15:00 -0400
            Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 08:40 -0700
              Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-13 06:01 +1000
                Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 19:17 -0500
                Re: Global Warming is a religion benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-12 21:07 -0400
                Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 22:13 -0500
              Re: Global Warming is a religion pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-12 13:40 -0700
                Re: Global Warming is a religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 14:52 -0700
                Re: Global Warming is a religion Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-05-12 16:03 -0700
                Re: Global Warming is a religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-05-12 17:45 -0700
                Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 16:18 -0700
                Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 19:22 -0500
                Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 17:57 -0700
            Re: Global Warming is a religion benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-12 14:42 -0400
              Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-13 05:49 +1000
      Re: Global Warming is a religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 04:34 -0700

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