Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > sci.physics.relativity > #359987

Re: Twin Paradox - Engineering of Special Relativity

Show all headers | View raw

On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 5:33:13 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> Koobee Wublee wrote:

> > **  The symmetry is established in the Lorentz transform where mutual
> > time dilation becomes possible.  <shrug>
>
> > **  The Twin paradox comes about when the twins A and B starts out at
> > rest. Then, B moves away and finally return to reunite with A at rest.
> > <shrug>
>
> > **  After some serious brain storming, the consensus is to manually
> > add a law of physics where the Lorentz transform and thus the mutual
> > time dilation is only valid under inertial frames of reference.  On
> > the contrary, Special relativity does not even indicate such a
> > manmade law of nature.  <shrug>
>
> > **  A simple resolution can now be hand waved to resolve the paradox
> > by flipping the observed time dilation of the inertial frame.  To this
> > day, there remains no sound mathematics to show so.  <shrug>
>
> > **  The religion of relativity is born, and Einstein the nitwit, the
> > plagiarist, and the liar is worshipped as the god.  <shrug>
>
> > **  Koobee Wublee points out that the traveling twin B can be allowed
> > a period where B is moving but with no acceleration.  Thus, both
> > twins are in inertial frames, and mutual time dilation must apply
> > with non-null relative speed.  Any arbitrary time spent when both
> > twins are in inertial frames with non-null relative speed spells out
> > fatal contradiction to Special Relativity.  <shrug>
>
> > **  So far, any brain storming is fruitless to resolve the paradox.
> > Koobee Wublee urges the relativistic morons to manually create
> > another physical law of nature.  That is the Lorentz transform does
> > not apply to any frames that had been non-inertial in the past, and
> > these buffoons can joyfully flip the time dilation equation just like
> > the happy, mystic, good old time.  <shrug>
>
> > After the traveling twin has reach its maximum speed, it can cut off
> > its acceleration.  At this moment, the traveling twin is moving away
> > but also in an inertial frame of reference.  During this time which
> > Paul also agrees, the mutual time dilation is building up since both
> > are in inertial frames of reference.  Koobee Wublee shall call this
> > period the coasting time.  <shrug>
>
> > After this coasting time, the traveling twin can turn around.  While
> > at its maximum speed of turning around.  The same coasting time can
> > be applied again.  Then, the traveling twin decelerates and finally
> > ends up in the same inertial frame as the always stayed home twin.
> > <shrug>
>
> > Let's say Paul is able to fudge this particular case.  Then, try
> > another run using the same acceleration profile but with different
> > coasting times.  Paul should be caught red handed for cheating again.
> > <shrug>
>
> This is all standard geometry, straight line connecting A and B has
> different length than a bent line connecting A and B. In terms of
> the momentarily co-moving inertial frames, when the twin is accelerating,
> his information-gathering system records the stationary twin's clock
> as time-contracted. The brief period of time contraction happens to
> overwhelm the amount of "accumulated"(*) time dilation resulting in
> the net difference observed at the reunion. This is all easy to
> calculate.
> 
> (*) This "accumulation" as well as exact number quantifying "time dilation"
> and "time contraction" are partially a function of the man-made information-
> gathering apparatus (so that the stationary twin is of course oblivious
> to all those time variations).

The mindless ramblings of Jan the relativistic moron contain not a single sentence valid under or pertaining to SR.  <shrug>

Back to sci.physics.relativity | Previous | Next — Previous in thread | Next in thread | Find similar | Unroll thread

Thread

Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 17:54 -0700
  Re: Twin Paradox - Engineering of Special Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-08-07 12:04 +1000
    Re: Twin Paradox - Engineering of Special Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 21:39 -0700
      Re: Twin Paradox - Engineering of Special Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-08-07 14:52 +1000
        Re: Twin Paradox - Engineering of Special Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 00:08 -0700
          Re: Twin Paradox - Engineering of Special Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-08-07 19:05 +1000
            Re: Twin Paradox - Engineering of Special Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 23:42 -0700
          Re: Twin Paradox - Engineering of Special Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 06:27 -0700
    Re: Twin Paradox - Engineering of Special Relativity Mike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net> - 2015-08-07 10:02 -0600
  Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-08-06 20:18 -0700
    Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 21:42 -0700
      Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-08-07 08:12 -0700
  Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 20:52 -0700
    Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-08-06 21:14 -0700
  Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-07 00:46 -0400
    Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 00:20 -0700
      Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity Edgardo Alcantara <edgardoalcantara@carosseryrepair.org> - 2015-08-08 10:08 +0000
    Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-08-07 08:29 -0700
      Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-07 12:57 -0400
  Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 00:40 -0700
  Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 07:28 -0500
    Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 06:31 -0700
      Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-07 13:46 +0000
  Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-07 21:35 +0200
    Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 14:22 -0700
      Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 17:33 -0700
        Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 21:29 -0700
      Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-08 16:23 +0200
        Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 21:49 -0700
          Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-09 14:24 +0200
            Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 21:21 -0700
              Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-10 09:52 +0200
                Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 16:05 -0700
                Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-11 22:23 +0200
                Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 16:01 -0700
                Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-12 21:07 +0200
                Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 21:32 -0700
                Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-13 18:22 +0200
                Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 23:27 -0700
                Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-09-02 22:51 +0200
                Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 22:05 -0700
                Re: Twin Paradox - Engineering of Special Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-09-04 20:55 +0200
                Re: Twin Paradox - Engineering of Special Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 12:52 -0700
                Re: Twin Paradox - Engineering of Special Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-09-05 20:18 +0200
                Re: Twin Paradox - Engineering of Special Relativity alsor@interia.pl - 2015-09-05 11:57 -0700
                Re: Twin Paradox - Engineering of Special Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 23:47 -0700
                Re: Twin Paradox - Engineering of Special Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-09-06 14:09 +0200
                Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-12 07:38 -0700
        Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-10 16:59 -0700
  Re: Twin Paradox  - Engineering of Special Relativity alsor@interia.pl - 2015-08-15 16:35 -0700

csiph-web