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Re: Resources to learn common lisp?

From ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
Newsgroups comp.lang.misc
Subject Re: Resources to learn common lisp?
Date 2026-08-27 10:17 +0000
Organization Stefan Ram
Message-ID <expressiveness-20260827111602@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> (permalink)
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Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> wrote or quoted:
>Care to share what you don't understand about the paper?  I suppose the
>subject is still interesting to the newsgroups addressed here, though it
>leans more towards comp.lang.misc and comp.theory and sci.logic.

  According to secondary sources, Felleisen deems two programming
  languages to be equally expressive if programs can be rewritten
  into the other language, maybe using local macros (because they
  are just "syntactic suger"). However, to me this is too vague,
  because between two Turing-complete languages, programs can al-
  ways be rewritten into the other language. But I have not read
  Felleisen; I just read articles /about/ Felleisen. So maybe Fell-
  eisen's text is less vague.

  To me it feels quite naturally to take the /amount/ of code
  into account. If I have to write 100 lines in language B for
  10 lines in language A, B seems to be less expressive to me.

  Bjarne Stroustrup wants to /express ideas directly in code/.
  Jack Reeves sees /code as design/.

  So the most expressive language would allow me to express my
  ideas directly in code, so my code would double as my design.
  The language would not distract with irrelevant details.

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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-24 19:38 +0800
  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-24 12:22 +0000
    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-24 21:04 +0800
      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-24 13:18 +0000
        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-24 22:16 +0800
          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-24 20:10 +0000
            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-25 10:34 +0800
        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-24 17:10 -0700
          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-25 10:41 +0800
          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-25 09:22 +0000
            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-25 22:13 -0700
              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-26 15:43 -0300
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-26 18:23 -0700
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-28 17:29 -0300
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-27 10:17 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-27 10:47 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-18 10:49 +0800
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-18 10:25 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-18 11:05 +0800
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid> - 2026-09-17 21:43 -0700
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-18 10:28 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-18 21:33 +0800
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-18 13:51 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-18 14:23 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-18 15:18 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-19 00:07 +0800
                Resources to learn Japanese (was: Resources to learn common lisp?) ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-18 16:52 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-09-18 15:11 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-18 15:25 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-09-18 15:49 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-18 16:05 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-09-19 08:29 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-19 16:50 +0800
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-18 18:18 +0200
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-19 00:35 +0800
                Why no string switch? (was: Resources to learn common lisp?) ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-19 12:46 +0000
                Re: Why no string switch? (was: Resources to learn common lisp?) boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-09-19 14:47 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-18 23:39 +0800

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