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| From | ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.misc |
| Subject | Re: Resources to learn common lisp? |
| Date | 2026-08-27 10:17 +0000 |
| Organization | Stefan Ram |
| Message-ID | <expressiveness-20260827111602@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> (permalink) |
| References | (17 earlier) <116hgb5$2s4uh$1@dont-email.me> <87tsojm54k.fsf@nightsong.com> <116jmt4$3jrlq$1@dont-email.me> <87fr01mplp.fsf@nightsong.com> <87tsogiuxx.fsf@safunu.org> |
Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> wrote or quoted: >Care to share what you don't understand about the paper? I suppose the >subject is still interesting to the newsgroups addressed here, though it >leans more towards comp.lang.misc and comp.theory and sci.logic. According to secondary sources, Felleisen deems two programming languages to be equally expressive if programs can be rewritten into the other language, maybe using local macros (because they are just "syntactic suger"). However, to me this is too vague, because between two Turing-complete languages, programs can al- ways be rewritten into the other language. But I have not read Felleisen; I just read articles /about/ Felleisen. So maybe Fell- eisen's text is less vague. To me it feels quite naturally to take the /amount/ of code into account. If I have to write 100 lines in language B for 10 lines in language A, B seems to be less expressive to me. Bjarne Stroustrup wants to /express ideas directly in code/. Jack Reeves sees /code as design/. So the most expressive language would allow me to express my ideas directly in code, so my code would double as my design. The language would not distract with irrelevant details. Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-24 12:22 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-24 21:04 +0800
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-25 09:22 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-27 10:17 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-08-27 10:47 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-18 10:25 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-18 10:28 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-18 21:33 +0800
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-19 00:07 +0800
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-18 15:25 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-09-18 15:49 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-18 16:05 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-09-19 08:29 +0000
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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-18 18:18 +0200
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-19 00:35 +0800
Why no string switch? (was: Resources to learn common lisp?) ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-19 12:46 +0000
Re: Why no string switch? (was: Resources to learn common lisp?) boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-09-19 14:47 +0000
Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-18 23:39 +0800
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