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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein |
| Date | 2016-01-11 11:35 +1100 |
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On 11/01/2016 11:21 AM, Peter Riedt wrote: > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 5:27:35 PM UTC+8, Sylvia Else wrote: >> On 10/01/2016 1:38 AM, Peter Riedt wrote: >>> The Aether, Michelson and Einstein >>> >>> The aether has been described by various scientists in different >>> forms and with differing attributes (Poincaré, Maxwell, Boyle, >>> Huygens, Young, Fresnel, Cauchy, Fizeau, Larmor, Faraday, >>> Fitzgerald, Kelvin, Hertz, Lorentz, Tesla, Lord Raleigh, Dirac, >>> Stokes and others). The aether was disowned only by Michelson >>> after his failure to experimentally prove it because he applied >>> an incorrect logic in his interferometer experiment and did not >>> want to admit his error. >>> >>> Michelson incorrectly assumed the light path on the perpendicular >>> arm (AB) of the interferometer traversed an isosceles triangle >>> but the light path is a right angle triangle. In the correct >>> logic of the experiment a light ray leaves the beam splitter A at >>> a right angle, impacts at the mirror B and leaves it at a small >>> acute angle towards C on the parallel arm. In the meantime the >>> split ray moves from A to D and back to C where it meets the ray >>> coming from B without interference because distance ABC equals >>> distance ADC. The Proof: >>> 2D(1+vv/cc)-(D+sqrt(D^2+(((2D(1+vv/cc))/c)*v)^2)) = 0 >>> >>> B ^\ ^ \ The perpendicular and parallel arm ^ \ >>> light paths of the MMX interferometer ^ \ ^ \ ^ \ ^ >>> \ ^ \ ^ \ ^ \ >>> A>---------\-------------------------------->D >>> C<------------------------------<D >>> >>> ADC = 2D(1+vv/cc) = 22.00000022m (according to Michelson) ABC = >>> D+sqrt(D^2+(((2D(1+vv/cc))/c)*v)^2) = 11m + 11.00000022m = >>> 22.00000022m (according to Riedt) AB = D = 11m AC >>> = (2D(1+vv/cc)) = 0.0000000733333340666667sec AC = >>> ((2D(1+vv/cc))/c)*v = 0.002200000022m BC = >>> sqrt(D^2+(((2D(1+vv/cc))/c)*v)^2) = 11.00000022m >>> >>> D=11m, c=300000000m/sec, c=30000m/sec >>> >>> Albert Einstein is thought to have himself also distanced from >>> the aether. However in an address on 5 May 1920 at the University >>> of Leiden he lectured on the topic 'Ether and the Theory of >>> Relativity'. The lecture was published by Methuen & Co. Ltd, >>> London, in 1922. At the end of the lecture he said: >>> >>> "Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general theory >>> of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this >>> sense, therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general >>> theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in >>> such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but >>> also no possibility of existence for standards of space and >>> time". >>> >>> Peter Riedt >>> >> A rose by any other name is still a rose. >> >> And vice versa. >> >> Sylvia. > > Does it mean you agree with me? > No. From your quotes it appears Einstein was using the word with a different meaning. Sylvia.
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The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-09 06:38 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 09:56 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein omnilobe@gmail.com - 2016-01-09 11:55 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-09 16:59 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 09:57 +0100
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-11 00:24 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-10 23:13 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 02:18 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 12:19 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 02:14 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 12:52 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 15:35 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 15:56 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:28 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:50 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 18:23 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:40 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:12 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:24 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 09:08 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-17 10:25 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 02:22 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-12 00:34 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 08:58 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 01:10 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-17 10:27 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 02:27 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 10:36 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 08:51 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-01-10 09:25 +0100
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 04:07 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-10 20:27 +1100
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-10 16:21 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-11 11:35 +1100
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-10 21:23 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 07:35 +0100
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-10 23:25 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 08:39 +0100
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 03:42 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 14:21 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:08 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 10:03 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 12:18 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 10:26 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 10:34 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 10:43 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 11:24 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 11:41 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 13:02 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 11:21 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 13:46 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:05 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 10:40 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-12 16:26 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 07:47 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 09:30 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 00:51 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 03:46 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 12:38 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-17 10:28 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 00:49 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 14:50 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:17 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:39 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 16:56 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:11 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:31 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:52 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:36 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:18 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 09:03 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 08:10 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 10:14 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 08:36 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:13 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:15 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:14 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:19 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:03 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 17:53 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 16:58 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 00:19 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 07:58 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 17:46 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-19 09:06 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 09:27 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:13 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:22 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 23:17 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 07:16 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:22 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 23:18 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 07:18 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 11:59 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:21 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:26 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 23:28 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 07:27 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 07:43 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 14:38 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 12:11 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-19 16:15 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:29 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:03 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 23:31 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2016-01-11 21:56 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 18:03 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 11:36 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 10:24 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:51 +0100
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 14:49 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:15 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 16:19 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:42 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:33 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:18 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 09:06 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:18 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 08:45 +0100
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 00:52 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 18:09 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-14 16:14 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 09:03 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-15 15:49 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 18:43 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 10:13 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-16 15:33 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 18:27 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 08:33 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 02:43 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-17 00:11 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 12:15 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 15:16 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 13:25 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-17 18:21 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 13:15 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-18 12:36 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 16:34 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-18 17:44 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 08:03 -0800
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 09:28 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 02:39 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 10:32 +0100
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 02:30 -0500
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 12:23 -0600
Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 12:23 -0600
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