Re: What we have is Liberals and Blacks violating the Religious rights of some religion that they don't like.... You know like bigots do.

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	alt.conspiracy
Subject	Re: What we have is Liberals and Blacks violating the Religious rights of some religion that they don't like.... You know like bigots do.
Date	2016-01-03 20:37 +0100
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Am 02.01.2016 13:07, schrieb K Wills (Shill #3):
..
>>>
>>>> Actually Jesus was a prophet (according to Christian believes)
>>>
>>>        Good for him.
>>>
>>>> and got
>>>> killed. So there was a prophet (Christians and Muslims believe in) that
>>>> was killed.
>>>
>>>        Christianity does not believe Jesus was a prophet. They believe
>>> he was the Messiah.
>>
>>
>> 'Christianity' is not a single well defined religion, but a set of
>> different, but mainly similar believes.
>>
>
>       Not so. There are many denominations, but that's a style of
> worship, not different religions.
>      The core belief of any Christian is that Jesus is the Messiah.
>
>> So I take the very early Christians as prime representatives for
>> Christianity. These have settled (mainly) in what is now Syria.
>>
>> But also some lived in ancient Rome, Greece and other places.
>>
>
>       All over the known, to them, world of the time. Yes.
>
>> This was well before the reforms of Emperor Konstantin, the Council of
>> Nicea and other changes.
>>
>> Unfortunately this believe is not well documented.
>
>       Emperor Constantine did exist. There is more than enough
> documentation of this. The same with the Council of Nicea.
>
>>
>> But the early Christians had to flee from Syria. And some created a
>> sect, from what later the Islam emerged.
>
>       Nope. Islam did not come from Christianity.
>
What I have read recently was this:

a sect of early Christians from Syria opposed the Council of Nicea and 
had to flee.

They went to the City Merv in what is now Turkmenistan. This city was 
one of the largest cities of its time and belonged to the 'silk-road'.

There these Christians formed their believe system. This was mainly 
monotheistic. They spoke Aramaic and their title for Jesus was 'Mahmed', 
what means 'the one to be praised'.

The city was later occupied by the Saracens and they kept, would they 
though to be useful. Among this were the secret sripts of this sect.

The Arabs changed the story a little bit and centred it around Arabic 
places. And they made 'Mohammed' from 'Mahmed'. This is easy in Aramaic, 
since the language was written without vocals.

In the ninth century the than new religion was codified into the new 
form of Islam, what was actually Arabic, but derived from early 
Christian sources.

>> So we could think, that 'Jesus' and 'Mohammed' mean actually the same
>> person and that was a prophet - at least for the Muslims.
>>
>
>       The religion of Islam recognized Jesus as a prophet, yes. But he
> had long died before Mohammed was born. By roughly 600 years. This
> makes your claim about them meaning the same person impossible.

Would be impossible, if the biblical text is a real fact. But this is 
certainly not the case, since quite a few biblical statements turned out 
to be wrong (in the view of current science).

So we would need to see such scripts a more 'symbolic' and as an attempt 
to transport certain religious ideas (and not as scientific record of 
events).



>> The Romans deified Jesus and declared a new form valid called
>> 'trinitarian'. This was against the believe of the early Christians,
>> which had a real human being in mind.
>
>       Some. And some still do.
>       I don't understand how they can hold this view, since it's in
> violation of their own Holy book.


This was NOT '.. their own holy book', since our bible stems from the 
Romans and the sect mentioned above opposed these interpretations.
They had other holy books and these have been lost, since that city Merv 
was destroyed and later completely wiped out by the Mongols.
..


TH

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