Re: What we have is Liberals and Blacks violating the Religious rights of some religion that they don't like.... You know like bigots do.

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	alt.conspiracy
Subject	Re: What we have is Liberals and Blacks violating the Religious rights of some religion that they don't like.... You know like bigots do.
Date	2016-01-02 07:12 +0100
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Am 28.12.2015 10:58, schrieb K Wills (Shill #3):
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:25:37 +0100, Thomas Heger<ttt_heg@web.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Am 27.12.2015 12:25, schrieb K Wills (Shill #3):
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         Which has what to do with your claim about prophets being killed?
>>>>>
>>>>>> And this Jesus person is assumed to be a prophet, both in Islam and
>>>>>> Christianity.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Most Jews consider Jesus a prophet.
>>>>>         What does your lack of education have to do with your claim about
>>>>> prophets being killed?
>>>>
>>>> Didn't you know, that Jesus got killed?
>>>>
>>>
>>>        Your avoidance does not answer the question I asked.
>>>        Note above where I wrote, "Many of the prophets of Judaism were
>>> killed." It was in a section you snipped out in a pathetic attempt to
>>> alter the context of my comment.
>>>        I don't understand why you continue to make use of this means of
>>> deception. By now you must realize I'll prove the truth.
>>>
>>>> If he was a prophet, he certainly was a killed prophet (and actually
>>>> Jewish).
>>>>
>>>
>>>        "Many of the prophets of Judaism were killed."
>>
>> Well, maybe. But actually this was not the subject. The subject was,
>> whether or not Muslims have the right from Christians, not to celebrate
>> Christmas.
>>
>
>       At no time has this been the subject. Your lying is not helping
> you.
>
>> I said: no they don't have this right and much less punish Christians
>> for celebrating Christmas.
>>
>>>> But the actual topic was not Jesus, but whether or not is a sacred duty
>>>> to kill those, who celebrate his birthday.
>>>
>>>        No, it's about your LIE that Christian and Muslim prophets were
>>> killed.
>>
>> Where do you see such a lie?
>>
>
>        From your posts.
>
>> Actually Jesus was a prophet (according to Christian belles)
>
>       Good for him.
>
>> and got
>> killed. So there was a prophet (Christians and Muslims believe in) that
>> was killed.
>>
>
>       Christianity does not believe Jesus was a prophet. They believe
> he was the Messiah.

'Christianity' is not a single well defined religion, but a set of 
different, but mainly similar believes.

So I take the very early Christians as prime representatives for 
Christianity. These have settled (mainly) in what is now Syria.

But also some lived in ancient Rome, Greece and other places.

This was well before the reforms of Emperor Konstantin, the Council of 
Nicea and other changes.

Unfortunately this believe is not well documented.

But the early Christians had to flee from Syria. And some created a 
sect, from what later the Islam emerged.

So we could think, that 'Jesus' and 'Mohammed' mean actually the same 
person and that was a prophet - at least for the Muslims.

The Romans deified Jesus and declared a new form valid called 
'trinitarian'. This was against the believe of the early Christians, 
which had a real human being in mind.

The Catholics went in the opposite direction.

The Romans merged Zoroastrianism into the Christian believe. But this 
does not stem from Christian tradition, but from Assyrian and Persian.

>>>> I actually don't think, that Jesus was born on a 25th of December,
>>>
>>>        It's almost assured he wasn't. It would have been too cold for
>>> the shepherds to be out with their animals.
>>
>> Well, a few parts of that story could eventually be meant more as a
>> metaphor or have been added later.
>>
>> So we have 365 days to chose from and the Romans decision was, to take
>> the 'birthday' of their sungod.
>>
>> This is a little questionable, but not such a bad move, since it helped
>> much to promote Christianity.
>
>       It's far more plausible that Jesus would have been born in late
> September or early October. Censuses were performed around that time,
> and the shepherds would have been in the field with their animals at
> such a time.

Well, maybe this is a plausible assumption. But 'we don't know' is even 
more plausible.
..

>> But orthodox Christians don't do that and celebrate Christmas on 6th of
>> January.
>>
>
>       Still not the date of Jesus' birth.

Actually there is no proof, this day is wrong. So orthodox may take the 
6th of January and most other Christians 25th of December.

But you could take any other day as well.
Which one is a question of believe.

>>>> Muslims could use other dates for similar purposes, but this would not
>>>> render Christian believes invalid, let alone illegal.
>>>
>>>        You must be really DESPERATE to distract from your claims
>>> regarding the killing of the prophets.

We should at least agree on Jesus as a prophet and getting killed.

About other prophets I have no knowledge.
..

>>>        They *let* the Christians celebrate Christmas? I wasn't aware
>>> Islam had such massive authority over the religious activities of
>>> others through the world.
>>
>> The HAVE authority in their realm. And pretend to have in other regions,
>> they attempt to control (like e.g. Syria).
>
>       And? How do you propose they stop anyone, anywhere, from
> celebrating whatever people want?

There are three nations, where the celebration of Christmas is a legal 
crime. The political powers of these nations enforce their laws by usual 
methods: police, military, prisons or other sanctions.

TH

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