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Re: White Privilege

From Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca>
Newsgroups alt.usage.english
Subject Re: White Privilege
Date 2015-12-27 06:58 -0330
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On 2015-12-27 4:18 AM, Helen Lacedaemonian wrote:
> On Saturday, December 26, 2015 at 12:18:46 PM UTC-8, David Kleinecke wrote:
>> At
>>     http://www.patheos.com/blogs/andygill/white-privilege-is-a-myth/
>> the blogger uses "white privilege" is a way I do not understand.
>>
>> To me "white privilege" is a sarcastic reference to assumed "white"
>> superiority. It is, semantically, a condemning phrase.
>>
>> What does "white privilege" mean to you?
>
> The term "white privilege" refers to the unfortunate fact that in our society, white
> people have a leg up in many walks of life (still no fines for excess puns), simply
> by virtue of being white. Peggy McIntosh, an anti-racism activist, refers to the
> whiteness advantage as "an invisible package of unearned assets."
>
> It seems to me that the blogger who wrote this post felt, erroneously, that the term
> itself implied that whites were somehow deserving of this privilege.
>
> Perhaps the difficulty is the word "privilege"? Which means "a special benefit
> available only to a particular person or class," but which is sometimes confused
> with "an advantage conferred upon those especially deserving," or even... a right.

My problem with the term is that it is simplistic and therefore 
misleading because it implies that all members of a group are identical 
when it comes to privilege - all whites are equally privileged and all 
non-whites equally lacking in privilege. I think that type of analysis 
of social problems is deeply flawed, not only because its simplistic, 
but because it draws attention away from changes that might lead to 
reducing inequality and focuses it on "I can't help having a certain 
position in society because I belong to X group."

-- 
Cheryl

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White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 12:18 -0800
  Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-26 15:46 -0500
  Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-26 17:58 -0330
  Re: White Privilege Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2345@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 14:12 -0800
    Re: White Privilege Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofsunnyvale@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 23:50 -0800
  Re: White Privilege Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofsunnyvale@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 23:48 -0800
    Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-27 06:58 -0330
      Re: White Privilege "Don Phillipson" <e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> - 2015-12-27 08:46 -0500
        Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 08:32 -0800
      Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 08:49 -0800
        Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 10:40 -0800
          Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 10:57 -0800
            Re: White Privilege Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2015-12-27 20:20 -0500
          Re: White Privilege spuorgelgoog@gowanhill.com - 2015-12-27 12:16 -0800
            Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 13:19 -0800
              Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-27 21:49 +0000
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 14:06 -0800
                Re: White Privilege James Hogg <Jas.Hogg@gOUTmail.com> - 2015-12-27 23:15 +0100
                Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-27 22:20 +0000
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 20:34 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Janet <nobody@home.org> - 2015-12-28 12:27 +0000
                Re: White Privilege richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2015-12-28 19:29 +0000
                Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-28 22:15 +0000
                Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-27 22:26 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 20:06 -0500
                Re: White Privilege wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2015-12-28 01:34 +0000
                Re: White Privilege John Dawkins <artfldodgr@aol.com> - 2015-12-28 10:26 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 20:40 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-28 01:54 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 04:18 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-28 09:05 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-28 11:59 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 11:39 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-28 15:42 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 13:23 -0800
                Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-28 09:27 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Janet <nobody@home.org> - 2015-12-28 12:30 +0000
                Re: White Privilege "Don Phillipson" <e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> - 2015-12-28 11:44 -0500
                Re: White Privilege James Hogg <Jas.Hogg@gOUTmail.com> - 2015-12-27 23:15 +0100
                Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-27 22:22 +0000
              Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-28 13:57 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 09:23 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Don Phillipson" <e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> - 2015-12-28 11:37 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-28 15:12 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-29 15:38 +1100
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 22:53 -0700
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 06:41 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 09:52 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 08:38 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 13:26 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-28 22:19 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 17:47 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 19:58 -0800
            Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-27 22:26 +0000
            Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-28 20:23 +1100
              Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-28 08:45 -0330
                Re: White Privilege HVS <usenet@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> - 2015-12-28 14:31 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-28 11:53 -0330
                Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 10:18 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-28 15:52 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2015-12-28 14:54 -0500
                Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 14:14 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-12-31 01:24 -0800
                Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 09:38 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-31 11:16 -0800
                Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 12:31 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2016-01-01 06:03 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 09:12 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 07:26 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2015-12-28 15:09 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-28 16:55 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 12:56 -0500
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2016-01-04 14:07 -0700
                Re: White Privilege Mike Barnes <mikebarnes333@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 22:07 +0000
                Re: White Privilege wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-01-04 21:57 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 17:36 -0500
                Re: White Privilege wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-01-05 01:24 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2016-01-04 21:14 -0500
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 15:59 -0700
                Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-28 18:20 -0600
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 19:45 -0500
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 17:53 -0700
                Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-28 22:53 -0600
                Re: White Privilege Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2015-12-28 21:08 -0800
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 22:54 -0700
                Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-29 06:23 -0600
                Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-30 11:51 +1100
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-29 18:58 -0700
                Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-29 22:19 -0600
                Re: White Privilege bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2015-12-29 21:04 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-30 07:01 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-30 11:47 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-12-31 01:30 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-12-31 01:37 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 20:02 -0800
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 22:55 -0700
                Re: White Privilege Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2015-12-29 11:08 +0100
                Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-29 15:57 +1100
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 08:44 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 18:09 -0800
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 20:50 -0700
                Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-28 20:44 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-29 06:49 -0800
                Re: White Privilege rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) - 2015-12-29 17:18 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-29 15:48 +1100
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 22:57 -0700
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 08:42 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 12:56 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Will Parsons <varro@nodomain.invalid> - 2016-01-04 18:38 +0000
                Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 12:03 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 17:36 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 18:03 -0500
                Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 16:11 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 17:36 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2016-01-04 19:14 -0330
                Re: White Privilege richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2016-01-04 22:52 +0000
                Re: White Privilege wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-01-05 01:34 +0000
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2016-01-04 19:55 -0700
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2016-01-05 06:24 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-05 13:32 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2016-01-05 15:20 +1100
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2016-01-04 19:02 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-05 13:32 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 18:49 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2016-01-05 12:02 +0000
                Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-29 06:24 -0600
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-29 06:01 -0700
                Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-29 22:15 -0600
                Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 08:30 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 12:28 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 14:11 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 10:29 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 16:16 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 16:20 -0330
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-29 14:05 -0700
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 17:58 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 23:25 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 17:58 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2015-12-30 10:27 +0100
                Re: White Privilege Ross <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2015-12-30 01:57 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Jack Campin <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 10:04 +0000
                Re: White Privilege HVS <usenet@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 12:01 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-30 11:57 +1100
                Re: White Privilege Will Parsons <varro@nodomain.invalid> - 2015-12-30 01:24 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 23:32 -0800
              Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 04:20 -0800
          Re: White Privilege "Don Phillipson" <e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> - 2015-12-27 14:08 -0500
            Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 13:23 -0800
            Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 16:49 -0500
              Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 14:07 -0800
              Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-27 19:08 -0700
            Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 19:14 -0800
              Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 19:19 -0800
        Re: White Privilege "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 11:25 -0800
          Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 13:27 -0800
          Re: White Privilege Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 23:37 -0800
            Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2016-01-06 03:15 -0700
              Re: White Privilege Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofsunnyvale@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 21:16 -0800
                Re: White Privilege bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2016-01-06 22:51 -0800
        Re: White Privilege Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofsunnyvale@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 12:19 -0800
        Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-27 17:26 -0330
    Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 10:36 -0800
      Re: White Privilege Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2015-12-28 10:12 +0100
    Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-28 20:10 +1100

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