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Re: White Privilege

From Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr>
Newsgroups alt.usage.english
Subject Re: White Privilege
Date 2015-12-30 10:27 +0100
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On 2015-12-29 18:29:24 +0000, Jerry Friedman said:

> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 12:41:18 PM UTC-5, Cheryl P wrote:
>> On 2015-12-29 1:58 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 08:30:55 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman
>>> <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 12:57:59 AM UTC-5, RH Draney wrote:
>>>>> On 12/28/2015 9:48 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2015-Dec-29 01:31, HVS wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My parents mentioned one time that if I'd been a girl, they would probably
>>>>>>> have christened me "Penelope" in order to call me "Penny". I don't think the
>>>>>>> idea of christening the child "Penny" would ever have occurred to them.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My parents were strongly against shortening names, and I suppose I've
>>>>>> inherited that.
>>>> ...
>>>> 
>>>> Why did they think that?  Was it vulgar or something?  Or maybe they'd
>>>> inherited it too, and the original reason is lost in the mists of
>>>> genealogy?
>>> 
>>> My parents felt the same, but didn't carry it too far.  They felt that
>>> my brother and I were given names, and that's what we should be
>>> called.  When I started calling myself "Tony" instead of "Anthony", my
>>> parents never joined in the changed.
>>> 
>>> When I'd receive a call from my father at the office, he'd ask for
>>> "Anthony".  New employees had to be informed that this was me else
>>> they would ask "Anthony who?" and aggravate my father.
>>> 
>>> Aggravation wasn't to be avoided, though.  My father never accepted
>>> that I could be on with a caller more important than him and that he
>>> should be put on hold.
>> 
>> I think my mother didn't think that people should change the
>> carefully-chosen name of the child, and also in some cases disliked the
>> popular nicknames for names she might otherwise have chosen.
> 
> Apparently there was no possibility that she would give a child a
> name because she liked the nickname.  For instance, I was named Gerald
> because my parents had decided on "Jerry".
> 
>> This is a
>> little odd in one respect, since there had been a famous family dispute
>> over my mother's name when one parent insisted on calling her by the
>> name he preferred (I think it came from his side of the family)
> 
> I could hazard a guess at which parent that was.
> 
>> until
>> she was four or five, while everyone else called her by her middle name.
>> That dispute didn't involve nicknames, although it did involve parental
>> choice.
>> 
>> When their third child was due, my parents suggested that my sister and
>> I suggest possible names, none of which, incidentally, they chose. We
>> had a rather youthful and bizarre taste in names. When I came up with a
>> normal one (Theresa), my mother dismissed it on the grounds that it was
>> often mispronounced (as 'Treesa') and quite often turned into nicknames
>> she disliked.
> 
> In one of the early episodes of /Inspector Morse/ (see other thread),
> there's a character named Cheryl, pronounced with Ch as is "cherry".

Indeed. Even though Cheryl made it clear long ago how her name was 
pronounced I can't entirely rid myself of thinking of her with the 
pronunciation like "cherry" with an l added.

> Maybe your mother didn't know that more than one pronunciation was
> possible.  I certainly didn't.


-- 
athel

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White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 12:18 -0800
  Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-26 15:46 -0500
  Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-26 17:58 -0330
  Re: White Privilege Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2345@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 14:12 -0800
    Re: White Privilege Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofsunnyvale@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 23:50 -0800
  Re: White Privilege Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofsunnyvale@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 23:48 -0800
    Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-27 06:58 -0330
      Re: White Privilege "Don Phillipson" <e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> - 2015-12-27 08:46 -0500
        Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 08:32 -0800
      Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 08:49 -0800
        Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 10:40 -0800
          Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 10:57 -0800
            Re: White Privilege Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2015-12-27 20:20 -0500
          Re: White Privilege spuorgelgoog@gowanhill.com - 2015-12-27 12:16 -0800
            Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 13:19 -0800
              Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-27 21:49 +0000
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 14:06 -0800
                Re: White Privilege James Hogg <Jas.Hogg@gOUTmail.com> - 2015-12-27 23:15 +0100
                Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-27 22:20 +0000
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 20:34 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Janet <nobody@home.org> - 2015-12-28 12:27 +0000
                Re: White Privilege richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2015-12-28 19:29 +0000
                Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-28 22:15 +0000
                Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-27 22:26 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 20:06 -0500
                Re: White Privilege wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2015-12-28 01:34 +0000
                Re: White Privilege John Dawkins <artfldodgr@aol.com> - 2015-12-28 10:26 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 20:40 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-28 01:54 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 04:18 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-28 09:05 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-28 11:59 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 11:39 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-28 15:42 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 13:23 -0800
                Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-28 09:27 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Janet <nobody@home.org> - 2015-12-28 12:30 +0000
                Re: White Privilege "Don Phillipson" <e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> - 2015-12-28 11:44 -0500
                Re: White Privilege James Hogg <Jas.Hogg@gOUTmail.com> - 2015-12-27 23:15 +0100
                Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-27 22:22 +0000
              Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-28 13:57 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 09:23 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Don Phillipson" <e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> - 2015-12-28 11:37 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-28 15:12 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-29 15:38 +1100
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 22:53 -0700
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 06:41 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 09:52 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 08:38 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 13:26 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-28 22:19 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 17:47 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 19:58 -0800
            Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-27 22:26 +0000
            Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-28 20:23 +1100
              Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-28 08:45 -0330
                Re: White Privilege HVS <usenet@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> - 2015-12-28 14:31 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-28 11:53 -0330
                Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 10:18 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-28 15:52 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2015-12-28 14:54 -0500
                Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 14:14 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-12-31 01:24 -0800
                Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 09:38 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-31 11:16 -0800
                Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 12:31 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2016-01-01 06:03 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 09:12 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 07:26 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2015-12-28 15:09 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-28 16:55 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 12:56 -0500
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2016-01-04 14:07 -0700
                Re: White Privilege Mike Barnes <mikebarnes333@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 22:07 +0000
                Re: White Privilege wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-01-04 21:57 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 17:36 -0500
                Re: White Privilege wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-01-05 01:24 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2016-01-04 21:14 -0500
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 15:59 -0700
                Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-28 18:20 -0600
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 19:45 -0500
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 17:53 -0700
                Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-28 22:53 -0600
                Re: White Privilege Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2015-12-28 21:08 -0800
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 22:54 -0700
                Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-29 06:23 -0600
                Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-30 11:51 +1100
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-29 18:58 -0700
                Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-29 22:19 -0600
                Re: White Privilege bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2015-12-29 21:04 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-30 07:01 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-30 11:47 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-12-31 01:30 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-12-31 01:37 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 20:02 -0800
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 22:55 -0700
                Re: White Privilege Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2015-12-29 11:08 +0100
                Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-29 15:57 +1100
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 08:44 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 18:09 -0800
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 20:50 -0700
                Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-28 20:44 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-29 06:49 -0800
                Re: White Privilege rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) - 2015-12-29 17:18 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-29 15:48 +1100
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 22:57 -0700
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 08:42 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 12:56 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Will Parsons <varro@nodomain.invalid> - 2016-01-04 18:38 +0000
                Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 12:03 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 17:36 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 18:03 -0500
                Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 16:11 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 17:36 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2016-01-04 19:14 -0330
                Re: White Privilege richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2016-01-04 22:52 +0000
                Re: White Privilege wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-01-05 01:34 +0000
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2016-01-04 19:55 -0700
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2016-01-05 06:24 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-05 13:32 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2016-01-05 15:20 +1100
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2016-01-04 19:02 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-05 13:32 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 18:49 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2016-01-05 12:02 +0000
                Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-29 06:24 -0600
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-29 06:01 -0700
                Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-29 22:15 -0600
                Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 08:30 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 12:28 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 14:11 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 10:29 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 16:16 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 16:20 -0330
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-29 14:05 -0700
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 17:58 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 23:25 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 17:58 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2015-12-30 10:27 +0100
                Re: White Privilege Ross <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2015-12-30 01:57 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Jack Campin <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 10:04 +0000
                Re: White Privilege HVS <usenet@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 12:01 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-30 11:57 +1100
                Re: White Privilege Will Parsons <varro@nodomain.invalid> - 2015-12-30 01:24 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 23:32 -0800
              Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 04:20 -0800
          Re: White Privilege "Don Phillipson" <e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> - 2015-12-27 14:08 -0500
            Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 13:23 -0800
            Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 16:49 -0500
              Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 14:07 -0800
              Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-27 19:08 -0700
            Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 19:14 -0800
              Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 19:19 -0800
        Re: White Privilege "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 11:25 -0800
          Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 13:27 -0800
          Re: White Privilege Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 23:37 -0800
            Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2016-01-06 03:15 -0700
              Re: White Privilege Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofsunnyvale@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 21:16 -0800
                Re: White Privilege bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2016-01-06 22:51 -0800
        Re: White Privilege Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofsunnyvale@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 12:19 -0800
        Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-27 17:26 -0330
    Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 10:36 -0800
      Re: White Privilege Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2015-12-28 10:12 +0100
    Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-28 20:10 +1100

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