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Re: White Privilege

From Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info>
Newsgroups alt.usage.english
Subject Re: White Privilege
Date 2016-01-05 13:32 -0500
Organization Bananologisches Institut
Message-ID <1ob1oloiylvub.dlg@mid.crommatograph.info> (permalink)
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* Cheryl:

> On 2016-01-04 2:26 PM, Oliver Cromm wrote:
>> * Cheryl:
>>
>>> One of my aunts, always called Maise, was baptized Mary Marguerite (her
>>> mother had a good friend named Marguerite). At the time, Vital
>>> Statistics people recorded births by transcribing baptismal records, and
>>> whoever did hers read the handwritten name as the much more common Mary
>>> Margaret. Aunt Maise eventually got the mistake corrected - it was
>>> surprisingly easy; I helped her as she had left the province decades
>>> earlier and I was on the spot. It would probably be much more difficult
>>> today.
>>
>> Since I've been watching Once Upon A Time, I was wondering about
>> the combination Mary Margaret. It's one of the main characters in
>> the series, and nobody calls her just one of the two names, they
>> always go together, even though there's no official hyphen.
>>
>> Why does this seem to be such a fixed combination? I can't find a
>> historical model like a saint.
>>
>> My grandmother's name was Martha Margarete, but she only used the
>> second one. Only a few close relatives called her "Gretel".
>>
> I don't know why it was so common - they're both saint's names, and in 
> spite of my Protestant aunt almost being given the name, the combination 
> is one I tend to think of as a typically Catholic name - two saints, 
> Mary (probably the Virgin Mary, since someone named after Mary Magdalen 
> wouldn't have had the 'Margaret' attached in place of 'Magdalen'; or 
> 'Madeleine') and Margaret. There used to be a lot more combined, but not 
> hyphenated, girls' names, usually involving Mary, but they're not so 
> common these days. I do know one young woman - I doubt she's 30 yet - 
> who is always called 'Mary Ann', no hyphen, no adaptation such as 'Marian'.

That brings to mind 5th grade, when our teacher noticed that we
had two girls named Nicola. "Oh, but you are Nicola-Maria!", to
which the other said "I'm Nicola Maria, too, just not with a
hyphen". So they became (not to the teacher, but to the rest of
the class) "Nicola with" and "Nicola without".

-- 
Manche Dinge sind vorgeschrieben, weil man sie braucht, andere
braucht man nur, weil sie vorgeschrieben sind.
  -- Helmut Richter in de.etc.sprache.deutsch

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White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 12:18 -0800
  Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-26 15:46 -0500
  Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-26 17:58 -0330
  Re: White Privilege Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2345@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 14:12 -0800
    Re: White Privilege Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofsunnyvale@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 23:50 -0800
  Re: White Privilege Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofsunnyvale@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 23:48 -0800
    Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-27 06:58 -0330
      Re: White Privilege "Don Phillipson" <e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> - 2015-12-27 08:46 -0500
        Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 08:32 -0800
      Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 08:49 -0800
        Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 10:40 -0800
          Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 10:57 -0800
            Re: White Privilege Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2015-12-27 20:20 -0500
          Re: White Privilege spuorgelgoog@gowanhill.com - 2015-12-27 12:16 -0800
            Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 13:19 -0800
              Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-27 21:49 +0000
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 14:06 -0800
                Re: White Privilege James Hogg <Jas.Hogg@gOUTmail.com> - 2015-12-27 23:15 +0100
                Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-27 22:20 +0000
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 20:34 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Janet <nobody@home.org> - 2015-12-28 12:27 +0000
                Re: White Privilege richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2015-12-28 19:29 +0000
                Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-28 22:15 +0000
                Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-27 22:26 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 20:06 -0500
                Re: White Privilege wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2015-12-28 01:34 +0000
                Re: White Privilege John Dawkins <artfldodgr@aol.com> - 2015-12-28 10:26 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 20:40 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-28 01:54 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 04:18 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-28 09:05 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-28 11:59 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 11:39 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-28 15:42 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 13:23 -0800
                Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-28 09:27 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Janet <nobody@home.org> - 2015-12-28 12:30 +0000
                Re: White Privilege "Don Phillipson" <e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> - 2015-12-28 11:44 -0500
                Re: White Privilege James Hogg <Jas.Hogg@gOUTmail.com> - 2015-12-27 23:15 +0100
                Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-27 22:22 +0000
              Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-28 13:57 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 09:23 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Don Phillipson" <e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> - 2015-12-28 11:37 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-28 15:12 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-29 15:38 +1100
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 22:53 -0700
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 06:41 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 09:52 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 08:38 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 13:26 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-28 22:19 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 17:47 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 19:58 -0800
            Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-27 22:26 +0000
            Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-28 20:23 +1100
              Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-28 08:45 -0330
                Re: White Privilege HVS <usenet@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> - 2015-12-28 14:31 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-28 11:53 -0330
                Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 10:18 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-28 15:52 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2015-12-28 14:54 -0500
                Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 14:14 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-12-31 01:24 -0800
                Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 09:38 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-31 11:16 -0800
                Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 12:31 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2016-01-01 06:03 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 09:12 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 07:26 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2015-12-28 15:09 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-28 16:55 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 12:56 -0500
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2016-01-04 14:07 -0700
                Re: White Privilege Mike Barnes <mikebarnes333@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 22:07 +0000
                Re: White Privilege wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-01-04 21:57 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 17:36 -0500
                Re: White Privilege wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-01-05 01:24 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2016-01-04 21:14 -0500
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 15:59 -0700
                Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-28 18:20 -0600
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 19:45 -0500
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 17:53 -0700
                Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-28 22:53 -0600
                Re: White Privilege Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2015-12-28 21:08 -0800
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 22:54 -0700
                Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-29 06:23 -0600
                Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-30 11:51 +1100
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-29 18:58 -0700
                Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-29 22:19 -0600
                Re: White Privilege bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2015-12-29 21:04 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-30 07:01 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-30 11:47 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-12-31 01:30 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-12-31 01:37 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 20:02 -0800
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 22:55 -0700
                Re: White Privilege Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2015-12-29 11:08 +0100
                Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-29 15:57 +1100
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 08:44 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 18:09 -0800
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 20:50 -0700
                Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-28 20:44 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-29 06:49 -0800
                Re: White Privilege rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) - 2015-12-29 17:18 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-29 15:48 +1100
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 22:57 -0700
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 08:42 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 12:56 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Will Parsons <varro@nodomain.invalid> - 2016-01-04 18:38 +0000
                Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 12:03 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 17:36 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 18:03 -0500
                Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 16:11 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 17:36 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2016-01-04 19:14 -0330
                Re: White Privilege richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2016-01-04 22:52 +0000
                Re: White Privilege wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-01-05 01:34 +0000
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2016-01-04 19:55 -0700
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2016-01-05 06:24 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-05 13:32 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2016-01-05 15:20 +1100
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2016-01-04 19:02 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-05 13:32 -0500
                Re: White Privilege "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 18:49 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2016-01-05 12:02 +0000
                Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-29 06:24 -0600
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-29 06:01 -0700
                Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-29 22:15 -0600
                Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 08:30 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 12:28 -0500
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 14:11 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 10:29 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 16:16 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 16:20 -0330
                Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-29 14:05 -0700
                Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 17:58 -0330
                Re: White Privilege Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 23:25 -0800
                Re: White Privilege "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 17:58 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2015-12-30 10:27 +0100
                Re: White Privilege Ross <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2015-12-30 01:57 -0800
                Re: White Privilege Jack Campin <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 10:04 +0000
                Re: White Privilege HVS <usenet@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 12:01 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-30 11:57 +1100
                Re: White Privilege Will Parsons <varro@nodomain.invalid> - 2015-12-30 01:24 +0000
                Re: White Privilege Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 23:32 -0800
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            Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 16:49 -0500
              Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 14:07 -0800
              Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-27 19:08 -0700
            Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 19:14 -0800
              Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 19:19 -0800
        Re: White Privilege "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 11:25 -0800
          Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 13:27 -0800
          Re: White Privilege Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 23:37 -0800
            Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2016-01-06 03:15 -0700
              Re: White Privilege Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofsunnyvale@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 21:16 -0800
                Re: White Privilege bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2016-01-06 22:51 -0800
        Re: White Privilege Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofsunnyvale@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 12:19 -0800
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    Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-28 20:10 +1100

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