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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe |
| Date | 2015-12-21 06:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ddpfhgFfrkpU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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Am 19.12.2015 16:14, schrieb David Fuller:
> fuller...@hotmail.com:
>> The edge of the universe is "time", the edge of "Now".
>>
> Well, the closer 'edge' is called 'here and now'.
> But on the far side we would expect to see the big bang´.
>
>
> TH
>
> That is the past, there is "No Place" to see on the far side.
> What does time look like, what kind of telescope can be made to see "time?
???
We see light. This is a certain kind of em-radiation and of a certain
frequency range.
Light move with c, hence we receive light from the past.
Further away is also further in the past.
Since the 'big-bang' is the assumed beginning of everything, there is no
further past than the big-bang (in big-bang-cosmology).
So: the 'edge' of the universe should be identical with the 'edge in
time' ('the big-bang'), since 'beginning' implies the idea of a border
(between before and after).
So we would actually see the big-bang in 13.8 billion light-years
distance. But in fact we don't see anything similar.
Question: why?
One reason: the estimated distances are based on Hubble's law and that
on big-bang cosmology.
But the idea, that red-shift correlates to distance is not well proven.
In fact a A.F. Meyer proved in his book 'Geometry of Time', that the
Hubble law is wrong.
Then we experience something called absorption, what make dark objects
look dark: they simply swallow em-radiation.
There is also a lot of time to do so (13.8 billion years). And usually
we expect radiation to disappear without significant traces, once the
emitter is shut off.
Then 'there is no edge' (as the title says), what is in direct violation
of the big-bang-theory.
So in total I would call 'big-band-theory': wrong assumptions stacked on
top of other wrong assumptions.
TH
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