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Re: Particles and Theory

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Particles and Theory
Date 2015-09-06 16:43 +0200
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Am 06.09.2015 05:54, schrieb kefischer:

>>>>> Of course not: wave theory is dependent on it
>>>>
>>>> No, it is not.
>>>
>>> ..In hard vacuum there's no
>>> medium for wave propagation. That's the whole and only motive for
>>> the search for a luminiferous aether.
>>
>> I suggest an idea, where vacuum is 'relative':
>>
>> What we call vacuum is actually empty space. Space is defined over the
>> coordinates. These coordinates are the distances of a spot in space to
>> certain reference points.
>>
>> If relativity is right, then length is dependent on the state of the
>> observer. If that length shrink, this space would also shrink.
>>
>> But then the observer would define a new set of reference points (at
>> rest in respect to himself). This would define a new space and with it a
>> new vacuum.
>>
>> So: emptiness is not absolute, but a function of the observer.
>>
>> Then we need something, that could behave as vacuum in some
>> circumstances and as radiation in others.
>>
>> I assume, this could be the spacetime of GR and that is a real physical
>> entity. This is empty for a certain 'axis of time', but not, if this
>> axis is tilted.
>>
>> TH
>
>           You obviously had too many schnapps before writing that.
>


This idea is actually simple:
I assume, that an Argand diagram is similar to a spacetime diagram.

The imaginary axis is then the 'axis of time' and the real axis is 
'spacelike'.

Velocity is an angle in this picture. We have a timelike 'movement' of 
matter (along the imaginary axis).

Along the real axis we had a connection with infinite velocity (along 
the imaginary axis the velocity is zero).

  Since velocity is 'relative', the observer regards himself as the 
zero-point and as at rest. Now zero velocity defines, what is the 
imaginary axis and with this he defines the axis of time

Relative to his own timeline is the light-cone in an angle of 45° (->c). 
The angle of 45° is always c, however the observer moves.

The own past-lightcone is actually, what we usually call 'universe', 
hence the 'universe' is 'relative', together with its content.

And if light is slowed down to zero, this is like the same 'structure' 
as an electron.  This 'slowed down from c to zero' is in the 
spacetime-picture a rotation of the axis of time by 45°.

If one observer with such a timeline compares his observation to one 
with a timeline tilted by 45°, they disagree about what is matter and 
what is radiation, since what is light for one is matter for the other.


TH

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    Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-03 08:39 -0500
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        Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-03 15:22 -0500
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    Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-03 15:33 -0500
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      Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-04 01:07 -0500
        Re: Particles and Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-04 08:34 +0200
          Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-04 08:50 -0500
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              Re: Particles and Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-05 00:53 +0200
              Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-05 11:20 -0500
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                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-05 21:50 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-06 05:29 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-05 23:54 -0400
                Re: Particles and Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-06 16:43 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-07 07:08 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-09-09 12:46 -0500
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            Re: Particles and Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-11 06:56 +0200
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                Re: Particles and Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-25 07:34 +0200
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                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-26 08:45 -0500
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                Re: Particles and Theory Jimmie Wynne <jimmwyn@metermap.org> - 2015-09-25 19:18 +0000
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                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 13:18 -0700
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                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-18 02:45 -0500
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