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Re: Particles and Theory

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Particles and Theory
Date 2015-09-07 07:08 +0200
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Am 06.09.2015 16:43, schrieb Thomas Heger:

>
> This idea is actually simple:
> I assume, that an Argand diagram is similar to a spacetime diagram.
>
> The imaginary axis is then the 'axis of time' and the real axis is
> 'spacelike'.
>
> Velocity is an angle in this picture. We have a timelike 'movement' of
> matter (along the imaginary axis).
>
> Along the real axis we had a connection with infinite velocity (along
> the imaginary axis the velocity is zero).
>
> Since velocity is 'relative', the observer regards himself as the
> zero-point and as at rest. Now zero velocity defines, what is the
> imaginary axis and with this he defines the axis of time
>
> Relative to his own timeline is the light-cone in an angle of 45° (->c).
> The angle of 45° is always c, however the observer moves.
>
> The own past-lightcone is actually, what we usually call 'universe',
> hence the 'universe' is 'relative', together with its content.
>
> And if light is slowed down to zero, this is like the same 'structure'
> as an electron. This 'slowed down from c to zero' is in the
> spacetime-picture a rotation of the axis of time by 45°.
>
> If one observer with such a timeline compares his observation to one
> with a timeline tilted by 45°, they disagree about what is matter and
> what is radiation, since what is light for one is matter for the other.
>

The similarity between an Argand Diagram and a spacetime diagram is 
visible here:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/World_line.svg/250px-World_line.svg.png

This is a spacetime-diagram with three dimensions: two of space and one 
of time.


If we reduce it by one dimension it looks like an Argand diagram:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_plane

Now the world of spacetime is neither flat not three-dimensional.

In fact we find spherical structures, where we find circles in the 
Minkowski diagram.

These spheres are stacked like Ptolomis crystal spheres, since they are 
delayed with distance. And that is, what we find along our own past 
light cone.

The circles are horizontal cuts and appear at the intersection of a 
horizontal plane with the cone.

Such planes are of same time (in the Minkowski diagram).

So we need a transformation, what turns circles into spheres. This is a 
'multiplication by three':

There are two dimensions of space present in the Minkowski-diagram, but 
we actually need three. So we get three combinations: XY,XZ, YZ.

This means, that the 'real thing' is similar to a complex plane, but 'in 
volume' (where a plane is flat).

To model this we need complex four-vectors. This is the 'volumetric' 
version of a complex number.

They are treated with a certain algebra called 'Pauli algebra' and this 
turns out to bee extremely useful in physics.

http://pws.prserv.net/jonathan_scott/physics/diraceqn.pdf

Now my assumption is, that spacetime of GR has such features and is in 
fact a 'quaternion field' (of a certain kind of quaternions, called 
bi-quaternions).

Those are interconnected like quaternions are multiplied. And that is a 
certain type of rotation.

 From this assumption it is possible to derive the entities of QM 
(particles and fields).

And that was my proposal about how to connect GR to QM:

https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6


TH

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