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Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User

From Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User
Date 2015-02-14 16:47 +0000
Organization People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
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On 2015-02-14, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015.02.12 10:11 , Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Not someone who is really determined and has the know-how. WPA has been
>> cracked before by those who really want to get in:
>>
>> <http://www.pcworld.com/article/153396/wifi_hacked.html>
>
> WPA2 is what people use.  Should be, anyway.  It's no surprise that that 
> article is nearly 7 years old.

The point is eventually it can and probably will be done by someone who
is determined with the right resources. 

>> As much as I hate repeating myself: MAC address filtering is there to
>> prevent casual users from connecting unknown devices, and is meant to
>> augment key-based encryption security already in place on a router. The
>> two are not mutually exclusive and can be legitimately used together.
>> Why you guys continue to argue as if anyone is claiming MAC address
>> filtering should be used by itself is beyond me, since nobody here has
>> made such a suggestion TMK. Very strange!
>
> I reject the blacklist/whitelist approach for the same reason that SSID 
> hiding should (generally) be rejected.

The idea that features you don't happen to appreciate should
automatically be rejected by others seems silly to me.

> Strong WPA2 passwords.  That's all that's needed.  Keep both the expert 
> hackers and the accidental accessers off of the network.

Again, nobody here, as far as I can tell - and certainly not me - has
suggested that one should not use strong encryption keys. And if someone
sees utility in using other features like MAC address filtering, who am
I to say they should not? I gave an example of one potential situation
where a family shares an encryption key, but the parents want to control
which devices can connect, so use the MAC address filtering feature to
do so without having to change and re-distribute the key among family
members. I'm sure others can find other legitimate uses for the feature.
Just because *you* don't appreciate this feature doesn't mean it has
absolutely no value for *others*.

> A determined hacker who believes he has even a modicum of a chance at 
> brute forcing WPA2 will walk through b/w-listing quickly once he's 
> discovered the hidden SSID.  Those two steps are just irritants - sort 
> of insulting to him.

Again, the feature isn't for determined hackers, but for casual users.

> That they add to more complexity in managing a WiFi network is just more 
> reason to avoid them.  They cost you more (over time) than they cost the 
> capable hacker.

According to you, who never uses them. Others can decide for themselves
whether using these features is worth the added complexity, and don't
need you to make that decision for them. 

> But if you get more warm and fuzzy out of b/w-listing and possibly 
> hidden SSID's, then go for it - and the added management.

You seem like you'd rather nobody use them. Make up your mind. : )

-- 
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JR

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    Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-02-10 10:55 +0100
      Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-10 14:00 +0000
        Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-02-10 20:08 +0100
      Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-10 14:42 -0500
        Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-10 20:03 +0000
          Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-10 16:05 -0500
            Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-10 21:17 +0000
              Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-10 19:51 -0500
      Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-10 20:54 +0000
        Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-10 21:18 +0000
          Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-10 22:37 +0000
            Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-11 00:04 +0000
              Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-11 12:37 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-11 15:07 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-11 15:16 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-11 08:32 -0700
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-11 15:53 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-11 08:24 -0700
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-11 15:27 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-11 15:53 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-11 12:22 -0500
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-11 18:00 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-12 01:51 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-12 14:11 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-12 14:52 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-12 15:11 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-12 15:38 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-12 16:03 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-14 11:00 -0500
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-14 19:44 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-14 10:58 -0500
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-14 16:47 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-15 01:10 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-15 01:39 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-15 09:24 -0500
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-15 14:56 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-15 11:13 -0500
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-15 16:53 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-15 18:01 -0500
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-16 01:38 +0000
                Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-16 12:04 -0500
  Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-09 09:21 -0500
    Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2015-02-09 14:05 -0600
      Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-09 15:32 -0500
      Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-09 20:58 +0000

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