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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.sys.mac.system |
| Subject | Re: Apple Time Capsule -- Unknown User |
| Date | 2015-02-15 16:53 +0000 |
| Organization | People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates |
| Message-ID | <ckc18cFhhg3U2@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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On 2015-02-15, Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > On 2015.02.15 09:56 , Jolly Roger wrote: >> >> I think you definitely care a lot, or you wouldn't be railing against it >> so strongly here. >> >>> I just advise that it's added burden to the owner and no burden to >>> anyone trying to get in. >> >> Wrong. > > Not wrong. Maintaining such is definitely more work for the network owner. The part where you are wrong is that it's no burden to anyone trying to get in. I won't bother repeating what is directly below: > >It's definitely a burden to someone using a device that cannot change >> its MAC address, or someone who does not even know how to change one, or >> someone who is not even aware of what MAC filtering is. And with a > > It's irrelevant facing a good WPA2 password. Nope. Any situation where the password is known, but you wish to restrict the MAC addresses of devices that may connect is relevant to MAC address filtering. Just because you want to pretend it's irrelevant doesn't make it irrelevant for the rest of the world. >> well-secured router, even if a stranger knows how to get passed MAC >> address filtering, they still can't get past the encrypted key that they >> do not know. And if they are a skilled enough person with enough >> resources to bypass encryption protections, then encryption is an >> "added burden" to the owner of the access point as well, in your own >> words. Stop pretending the feature has absolutely no utility. It does >> have limited utility, and may be useful for certain situations. And you >> have admitted that you have used it in the past when you needed it. > > When I didn't know better, When you didn't know better? Your kid knew the encryption key, but you wanted to further control access, so you used MAC address filtering. You used a feature that worked for you. Are you now going to claim that you thought it worked, but it did not work, so you "know better" now because your kid was still able to access the internet despite your use of the feature? I doubt it. > when security was weaker (WEP), The OP did not ask about security; he asked whether MAC address filtering was supported in Apple routers, and it is. MAC address filtering and encryption security are not mutually exclusive by any means. You keep injecting general security into the picture as if it's not used when MAC address filtering is used. That's generally not the case; and nobody here has stated that is the case except you and a couple others who seem hell bent on discrediting this useful feature. > when I wanted to schedule one user's access. So it was useful for a purpose. Imagine that. First you say it's useless, then you say it's more work than it's worth, then you say you used it, and then you go back to your useless/irrelevant/too much trouble arguments. It's a boring, circular logical trip to take from this end, I gotta tell you. > The later was not a security issue and I was not B/W-listing anyone else. The only one trying to make this into a general security issue is *you*. The OP simply asked if MAC address filtering was supported by Apple's routers. It is. Period. >>> That it may turn away a casual connection is no added benefit when the >>> same casual connection can't get through WPA2. Just as fast as turning >>> them away. >> >> Wrong again. It's an added benefit that that casual user would not have >> access even if they had the password to the router. You just admitted >> above that you have used it to do exactly that. You saw the benefit of > > That was not a "security" case. The OP didn't ask about general security. You are injecting that into the equation. >> it yourself and now admit you no longer need it. Good for you. Others, >> like the OP, might want it for their own uses. Good for them that it's >> available. >> >> Must we really have this circular conversation yet again? I'm *really* >> bored with it. > > Certainly. I mean drop it. I wish you would. > But it would never change my opinion about the use of b/w listing and > SSID hiding for security purposes. The OP did not ask about security. The OP asked if MAC address filtering was supported in Apple's routers, and it is. You and a couple others have tried to change the conversation into security, which would be fine if you weren't also suggesting that somehow MAC address filtering is used without other security measures in place (which nobody here has suggested) and therefore should be avoided. The fact is it can be a useful feature, and you yourself have admitted that you have used it and it served you well. > Indeed the more important the thing being protected, the less useful > it is - as such a facility is more likely attract the more talented > specialists - so not worth the added effort and management. You yourself admitted MAC address filtering came in handy for you. Now you are trying to claim it's not worth it for everyone else? Are we done yet? -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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