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Re: Anti-virus?

From Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de>
Newsgroups comp.mobile.android
Subject Re: Anti-virus?
Date 2018-10-07 21:40 +0200
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Am 07.10.2018 um 20:48 schrieb Carlos E.R.:

>>> In this situation the most a web page or
>>> app can do is gleaning the position from the current IP address.
>>
>> The operator can also ask google. Location-aware "real time bidding" is
>> *THE* big thing in online marketing these days...
> 
> By operator you mean the phone service operator or company? Because it
> is the other way round, they ask the operator to return the location of
> the phone via triangulation of the tower signals.

I was thinking about web site operators, which can get a lot of user 
information from the ad networks they participate in. Especially if they 
participate both as an advertiser and as a site displaying ads.

> IMSI-catchers are used in the United States and other countries by law
> enforcement and intelligence agencies, but their use has raised
> significant civil liberty and privacy concerns and is strictly regulated
> in some countries such as under the German Strafprozessordnung (StPO /
> Code of Criminal Procedure).[1][4]

This regulation can hardly be called strict. Basically, the use of 
technical surveillance (including IMSI catchers) is allowed whenever 
there is the suspicion that some target person(s) are planning or did 
commit a crime. This is fulfilled for almost every political 
demonstration where extremists are expected to show up.

And of course, the use of IMSI catchers and other technical surveillance 
methods has skyrocketed in germany, too.

> Some countries do not have encrypted
> phone data traffic (or very weak encryption), thus rendering an
> IMSI-catcher unnecessary.

In most cases, they are not interested in the traffic, but in 
meta-information (who was in the area), so encryption does not matter.

The advantage of using an IMSI catcher over asking the phone operator 
is, that they get the desired information in real time and without 
having to go through a legal authorization process.
Of course, they are required to delete unneeded information afterwards 
(at least here in germany) - but the definition of unneeded is rather 
vague, and nobody is able to verify the deletion.

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Anti-virus? Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 13:54 -0400
  Re:Anti-virus? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-01 20:05 +0200
    Re: Anti-virus? Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 14:15 -0400
      Re: Anti-virus? Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2018-10-01 19:55 +0100
    Re: Anti-virus? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-01 22:11 +0200
      Re: Anti-virus? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-02 02:14 +0200
        Re: Anti-virus? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-10-02 06:18 +0200
      Re: Anti-virus? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-02 02:34 +0200
  Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-01 20:49 +0200
    Re: Anti-virus? Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 16:03 -0400
      Re: Anti-virus? Arlen   H  Holder <arlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-02 02:52 +0000
      Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-02 10:29 +0200
        Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-03 13:30 +0200
          Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-03 15:09 +0200
            Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-03 15:31 +0200
              Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-03 16:33 +0200
    Re: Anti-virus? Arlen   H  Holder <arlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-02 02:50 +0000
      Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-02 10:55 +0200
        Re: Anti-virus? Arlen   H  Holder <arlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-02 12:32 +0000
          Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-02 09:45 -0700
            Re: Anti-virus? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-02 17:54 +0000
              Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-02 13:15 -0700
                Re: Anti-virus? Arlen   H  Holder <arlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 02:38 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-03 10:49 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 12:11 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-03 08:42 -0700
                Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 16:16 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-03 17:32 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2018-10-03 19:02 +0100
                Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-03 20:13 +0200
                Re: Anti-virus? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-03 20:09 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-03 23:23 +0200
                Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-04 13:06 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-04 15:02 +0000
                Google does *not* track *you*! (was: Anti-virus?) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-04 15:44 +0000
                Re: Google does *not* track *you*! 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-04 09:10 -0700
                Re: Google does *not* track *you*! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 22:03 +0200
                Re: Google does *not* track *you*! 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-07 14:23 -0700
                Re: Google does *not* track *you*! Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-10-04 17:07 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-04 09:10 -0700
              Re: Anti-virus? Arlen   H  Holder <arlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 02:36 +0000
            Re: Anti-virus? Arlen   H  Holder <arlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 02:34 +0000
              Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-02 20:33 -0700
                Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder  <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 04:30 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-02 22:13 -0700
                Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 12:52 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-03 15:09 +0200
                Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 15:40 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-03 08:42 -0700
                Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 16:16 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-03 15:52 -0700
                Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 23:31 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <123456@123456.com> - 2018-10-03 21:21 -0700
                Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-04 13:07 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-10-04 09:10 -0700
              Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-03 13:37 +0200
                Re: Anti-virus? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-03 08:44 -0400
                Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 12:52 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-03 15:06 +0200
                Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 15:40 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:41 +0200
                Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-08 15:00 +0000
          Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-02 20:42 +0200
            Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-03 13:44 +0200
              Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 12:52 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-03 15:14 +0200
                Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-03 15:31 +0200
                Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-03 17:47 +0200
                Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 16:16 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-03 18:20 +0200
                Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 17:18 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 15:39 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-03 17:49 +0200
                Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 16:16 +0000
              Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-03 15:28 +0200
                Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 15:39 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:48 +0200
                Re: Anti-virus? Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2018-10-07 21:40 +0200
      Re: Anti-virus? Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 19:33 -0400
        Re: Anti-virus? Arlen   H  Holder <arlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-03 02:40 +0000
          Re: Anti-virus? Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 13:55 -0400
            Re: Anti-virus? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-03 14:08 -0400
              Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-04 13:07 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-10-04 10:03 -0400
                Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-06 02:56 +0000
                Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:50 +0200
                Re: Anti-virus?  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-08 15:00 +0000
            Re: Anti-virus? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-07 20:54 +0200
  Re: Anti-virus? Arlen   H  Holder <arlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-02 02:47 +0000
  Re: Anti-virus? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-10-04 13:14 +0100

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