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| Subject | Re: How To Improve This Group |
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| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| References | (3 earlier) <slrnvve1a5.3d82b.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid> <vUDJP.356868$sbY2.163630@fx40.iad> <slrnvvfg3a.cd7.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> <T_PJP.168523$J3s7.41897@fx05.iad> <slrnvvhfjo.3j6.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> |
| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
| Message-ID | <Jd8KP.1691733$2zn8.1594217@fx15.iad> (permalink) |
| Organization | usenet-news.net |
| Date | 2025-04-11 08:49 -0400 |
On 2025-04-11 03:02, Borax Man wrote: > On 2025-04-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> On 2025-04-10 08:58, Borax Man wrote: >>> On 2025-04-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>> On 4/9/25 19:40, candycanearter07 wrote: >>>>> Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote at 20:55 this Wednesday (GMT): >>>>>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 19:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, if you COULD get more people to migrate to USENET from traditional >>>>>>> social media, that would be great. I personally don't think many people >>>>>>> are going to want to learn a new software for such an old protocol. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, then, maybe they should stop using email. After all, that protocol >>>>>> goes back to at least 1975. >>>>> >>>>> Most people use a website for email, and Gmail/Outlook. >>>> >>>> I see nothing but security issues in using web-based e-mail myself. If >>>> my e-mail is not configured in a client like Betterbird, I also find it >>>> incredibly inconvenient. >>>> >>>> < snip > >>>> >>>>>> Usenet is still very much viable as is IRC. All that is required >>>>>> is for more people to start using it -- again. >>>>>> >>>>>> The case is closed. >>>>> >>>>> I agree, the main problem from my pov is barrier to entry and >>>>> "precivable" benefits. Yes, obviously, USENET is great for being simple >>>>> and decrentralized, but the average person would not care/understand >>>>> what being "decentralized" means, and the simplicity is seen as a >>>>> drawback. And as for barrier to entry, the only real client people would >>>>> be likely/willing to use would be Thunderbird, since everything else is >>>>> either old (again, /I/ don't care, but ppl definitely would), highly >>>>> specialized FOSS programs that most of the time are targeted to Linux, >>>>> or a TUI program. And they have to configure the newsreader to connect >>>>> to a server, FIND a server, etc etc.. and no layman would go through >>>>> that just for a "retro forum experience that has barely any users". As >>>>> well as the general tech illiteracy. So, IF the barrier to entry was >>>>> lowered, and potentially a webapp made, people MIGHT be willing to try >>>>> it. I think that's a pretty long shot, though. >>>> >>>> Good luck getting people to use IRC again. I spent my adolescence on >>>> there, but it is clear that it is not attracting the same kind of people >>>> three decades later. It's too bad because some networks, like Rizon, are >>>> doing a fantastic job with their servers. Nonetheless, IRC apparently >>>> isn't as appealing in its uncensored, decentralized nature as a >>>> proprietary, centralized social medium like Instagram's comment section is. >>>> >>>> To be honest, I'm glad that neither IRC nor Usenet attract those kinds >>>> of people anyway. I'd rather know that I'm communicating with >>>> sufficiently smart individuals on the old networks than the vapid, >>>> superficial cretins on modern social media. >>>> >>> >>> IRC doesn't have stickers, animated emojis, GIFs. You cannot review >>> messages that came through when you were offline. Almost now changing >>> of fonts. No avatars. It takes a bit to learn (depending on the >>> client). No advertising, no extra "features" such as NFTs and skins or >>> what have you. No reactions and no branding (ie, logos for chat groups). >>> >>> I'm saying this not because I agree, but because this is what people >>> want. I do prefer the simplicity of IRC myself, bit IRC is not coming >>> back. There are no good mobile clients... >> >> Who the heck would want to use IRC on a cell phone anyway? It's made to >> be used with a keyboard. Anyways, if people want to get off of it in >> favour of something like Discord, all the power to them. However, I >> wouldn't want these people to complain once they're faced with a >> bombardment of advertisements and mass censorship. >> > > People use their phones a lot for chat. Some chat places I hang out on, > I'd say MOST are on their phone. Someone younger asked me how I > responded with lng replies so quickly, and I said I was using my laptop. > They thought I was *WEIRD*! It wasn't IRC, but still, the point is > people just pull out their phones and use that, rather than a keyboard. > The phone is "just there". I think its a devolution, a backwards step > in communication, but thats what is happening. I'll say this much: being exposed to today's youth on a daily basis, I can confirm that this generation is dumber than the previous and that it too was dumber than the one that preceded it. We're all getting better at using software, but we're forgetting how to accomplish basic, more critical tasks. I might have mentioned it before but I use an old MacBook Air 2017 with Linux Mint in the classroom. From time to time, while the screen is mirrored to a larger screen in the class, I might open up a terminal and simply write in "sudo apt upgrade." To the kids, I'm hacking. Similarly, a student asked me how great my "new" computer is by asking me how many pings it has. These are kids who don't know how to write an introduction or a conclusion to a text despite it being taught to them in both language classes they have, who make mistakes such as "je n'est pas de question" which translates to "I don't is a question" in English despite the language being a part of their daily lives, who don't know whether 6 on 10 is a passing mark, etc.. I guess it shouldn't be surprising that the progressive political parties get so much support considering the intellect of the populace. -- God be with you, CrudeSausage John 14:6
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Re: How To Improve This Group Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-09 20:55 +0000
Re: How To Improve This Group candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-09 23:40 +0000
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Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-10 12:58 +0000
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Re: How To Improve This Group Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-10 10:04 -0400
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Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-10 10:13 -0400
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Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-11 08:49 -0400
Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-11 13:44 +0000
Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-11 11:22 -0400
Re: How To Improve This Group rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-11 17:40 +0000
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Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-12 08:00 -0400
Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-12 06:40 +0000
Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-12 08:55 -0400
Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-12 23:06 +0000
Re: How To Improve This Group vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-13 00:38 +0000
Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-13 08:47 -0400
Re: How To Improve This Group candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-10 18:00 +0000
Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-11 08:42 -0400
Re: How To Improve This Group Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-04-10 11:08 +0000
Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-10 13:03 +0000
Re: How To Improve This Group Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-10 20:06 +0000
Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-11 07:10 +0000
Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-11 08:50 -0400
Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-11 12:58 +0000
Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-11 09:18 -0400
Re: How To Improve This Group Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-04-11 15:16 +0000
Re: How To Improve This Group rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-11 17:46 +0000
Re: How To Improve This Group Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-04-12 09:41 +0000
Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-12 10:17 +0000
Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-12 09:02 -0400
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Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-13 08:44 -0400
Re: How To Improve This Group rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-13 19:15 +0000
Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-14 11:52 +0000
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Re: How To Improve This Group bill_wilson <bill_w@aol.com> - 2025-04-11 14:34 -0400
Re: How To Improve This Group Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-11 14:38 -0400
Re: How To Improve This Group % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-11 11:41 -0700
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Re: How To Improve This Group Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-11 20:47 +0000
Re: How To Improve This Group Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-04-12 09:34 +0000
Re: How To Improve This Group Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-12 19:58 +0000
Re: How To Improve This Group % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-12 13:07 -0700
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