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Re: How To Improve This Group

From rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.meow.org.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: How To Improve This Group
Date 2025-04-10 14:01 +0000
Organization Hispagatos
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On 2025-04-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-04-10 08:58, Borax Man wrote:
>> On 2025-04-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 4/9/25 19:40, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote at 20:55 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>>>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 19:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, if you COULD get more people to migrate to USENET from traditional
>>>>>> social media, that would be great. I personally don't think many people
>>>>>> are going to want to learn a new software for such an old protocol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, then, maybe they should stop using email.  After all, that protocol
>>>>> goes back to at least 1975.
>>>>
>>>> Most people use a website for email, and Gmail/Outlook.
>>>
>>> I see nothing but security issues in using web-based e-mail myself. If
>>> my e-mail is not configured in a client like Betterbird, I also find it
>>> incredibly inconvenient.
>>>
>>> < snip >
>>>
>>>>> Usenet is still very much viable as is IRC.  All that is required
>>>>> is for more people to start using it -- again.
>>>>>
>>>>> The case is closed.
>>>>
>>>> I agree, the main problem from my pov is barrier to entry and
>>>> "precivable" benefits. Yes, obviously, USENET is great for being simple
>>>> and decrentralized, but the average person would not care/understand
>>>> what being "decentralized" means, and the simplicity is seen as a
>>>> drawback. And as for barrier to entry, the only real client people would
>>>> be likely/willing to use would be Thunderbird, since everything else is
>>>> either old (again, /I/ don't care, but ppl definitely would), highly
>>>> specialized FOSS programs that most of the time are targeted to Linux,
>>>> or a TUI program. And they have to configure the newsreader to connect
>>>> to a server, FIND a server, etc etc.. and no layman would go through
>>>> that just for a "retro forum experience that has barely any users". As
>>>> well as the general tech illiteracy. So, IF the barrier to entry was
>>>> lowered, and potentially a webapp made, people MIGHT be willing to try
>>>> it. I think that's a pretty long shot, though.
>>>
>>> Good luck getting people to use IRC again. I spent my adolescence on
>>> there, but it is clear that it is not attracting the same kind of people
>>> three decades later. It's too bad because some networks, like Rizon, are
>>> doing a fantastic job with their servers. Nonetheless, IRC apparently
>>> isn't as appealing in its uncensored, decentralized nature as a
>>> proprietary, centralized social medium like Instagram's comment section is.
>>>
>>> To be honest, I'm glad that neither IRC nor Usenet attract those kinds
>>> of people anyway. I'd rather know that I'm communicating with
>>> sufficiently smart individuals on the old networks than the vapid,
>>> superficial cretins on modern social media.
>>>
>> 
>> IRC doesn't have stickers, animated emojis, GIFs.  You cannot review
>> messages that came through when you were offline.  Almost now changing
>> of fonts.  No avatars.  It takes a bit to learn (depending on the
>> client).  No advertising, no extra "features" such as NFTs and skins or
>> what have you.  No reactions and no branding (ie, logos for chat groups).
>> 
>> I'm saying this not because I agree, but because this is what people
>> want.  I do prefer the simplicity of IRC myself, bit IRC is not coming
>> back.  There are no good mobile clients...
>
> Who the heck would want to use IRC on a cell phone anyway? It's made to 
> be used with a keyboard. Anyways, if people want to get off of it in 
> favour of something like Discord, all the power to them. However, I 
> wouldn't want these people to complain once they're faced with a 
> bombardment of advertisements and mass censorship.
>

+1 and the worse part of Discord is closed source, they mine your data,
they sell your data, you need a phone number to subscribe in many cases
and the list goes on and on ... see any privacy forum and you will see.
there are other options:
- Revolt.chat  Is open source self hosted or you can use the developers
  official host, is a discord clone with out the privacy issues.
- Matrix Spaces (not matrix but Matrix Spaces) the best with e2ee
  encryption, voice/video chat(in beta the old one is not that great)
- of course good old IRC.

Happy Hacking 

ReK2

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  Re: How To Improve This Group Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 16:01 -0400
  Re: How To Improve This Group vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-03-27 20:23 +0000
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  Re: How To Improve This Group candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-09 19:00 +0000
    Re: How To Improve This Group Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-09 20:55 +0000
      Re: How To Improve This Group candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-09 23:40 +0000
        Re: How To Improve This Group Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-09 19:47 -0400
        Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-09 20:02 -0400
          Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-10 12:58 +0000
            Re: How To Improve This Group Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-10 09:02 -0400
            Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-10 09:48 -0400
              Re: How To Improve This Group rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.meow.org.invalid> - 2025-04-10 14:01 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-10 10:04 -0400
                Re: How To Improve This Group rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.meow.org.invalid> - 2025-04-10 16:36 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-10 10:13 -0400
                Re: How To Improve This Group rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.meow.org.invalid> - 2025-04-10 16:26 +0000
              Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-11 07:02 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-11 03:06 -0400
                Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-11 08:49 -0400
                Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-11 13:44 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-11 11:22 -0400
                Re: How To Improve This Group rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-11 17:40 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-11 19:30 -0400
                Re: How To Improve This Group rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-12 02:59 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-12 08:00 -0400
                Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-12 06:40 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-12 08:55 -0400
                Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-12 23:06 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-13 00:38 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-13 08:47 -0400
          Re: How To Improve This Group candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-10 18:00 +0000
            Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-11 08:42 -0400
        Re: How To Improve This Group Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-04-10 11:08 +0000
          Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-10 13:03 +0000
            Re: How To Improve This Group Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-10 20:06 +0000
              Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-11 07:10 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-11 08:50 -0400
                Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-11 12:58 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-11 09:18 -0400
                Re: How To Improve This Group Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-04-11 15:16 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-11 17:46 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-04-12 09:41 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-12 10:17 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-12 09:02 -0400
                Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-12 22:58 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-13 08:44 -0400
                Re: How To Improve This Group rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-13 19:15 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-14 11:52 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-11 17:42 +0000
                Re: How To Improve This Group bill_wilson <bill_w@aol.com> - 2025-04-11 14:34 -0400
                Re: How To Improve This Group Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-11 14:38 -0400
                Re: How To Improve This Group % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-11 11:41 -0700
                Re: How To Improve This Group Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-11 14:51 -0400
                Re: How To Improve This Group % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-11 12:12 -0700
                Re: How To Improve This Group Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-11 20:47 +0000
          Re: How To Improve This Group Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-04-12 09:34 +0000
            Re: How To Improve This Group Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-12 19:58 +0000
              Re: How To Improve This Group % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-12 13:07 -0700

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