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| From | gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: about 10th new install of bullseye BUT its not Bullseye, its bookworm! |
| Date | 2024-06-05 17:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <IM0Kl-PRr-1@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
| References | <ILzAt-w9k-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <ILStr-KQM-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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On 6/5/24 02:30, Tom Dial wrote:
>
>
> On 6/4/24 04:26, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 2/19/22 06:31, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>>> Hi Gene,
>>>
>>> If this was someone calling you from a TV station saying they had a TV
>>> transmitter that was varying in power output - you'd have a mental
>>> checklist.
>>> You'd get down there, perhaps schedule some sort of power down / reduced
>>> power operation and then you'd check - power supplies, feeder cables,
>>> hot
>>> spots on cables - whatever. Divide and conquer- working back to a
>>> baseline
>>> of known working conditions and eliminating causes.
>>>
>>> My suggestion to you of a reinstall is partly designed to get you out
>>> of this
>>> "X happens, I did Y, now I've got Z" - to get to a known initial state.
>>>
>>> Take out all the serial converters to UPS, lathe and so on. Wireless
>>> keyboard
>>> doesn't present as serial in the same way that brltty does - if it
>>> did, I'd
>>> have brltty with every install on this laptop.
>>>
>>> Copy off your home directory as you did before - maybe using tar.gz
>>> and preserving permissions. Start with the .iso that includes
>>> firmware - the unofficial one.
>>>
>>> Build back slowly - do an expert text mode install if you can. Then
>>> add your
>>> Trinity desktop - I don't think any of us can help you there, since
>>> we don't
>>> run trinity.
>>>
>>> Check and you should find that brltty isn't installed at all. Then
>>> re-add thingsgradually until you have the working system you want.
>>> Document it - write down
>>> the steps you take / copy configuration files you change.
>>>
>>> That will also reveal logging / login slowdowns or whatever caused by
>>> individual devices as you add them back. Keep a list as you go.
>>>
>>> That's the counsel of perfection: alternatively:
>>>
>>> apt rdepends brltty gives me:
>>>
>>> me@mymachine:~$ apt rdepends brltty
>>> brltty
>>> Reverse Depends:
>>> Suggests: speechd-el (>= 3.7.2)
>>> Depends: brltty-espeak (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
>>> Suggests: orca
>>> Depends: brltty-x11 (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
>>> Depends: brltty-speechd (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
>>> Depends: brltty-flite (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
>>>
>>> You could try apt-get remove (or equivalent) on each of those
>>> packages and
>>> see if that clears it. I _know_ this is frustrating as all get out
>>> for you
>>> but a clear approach, written down so that you can remember where you
>>> got
>>> to will be very helpful.
>>>
>>> If all else fails, you can then share it with the list and say "I got to
>>> step X with no problems, then Y happened - help me out here" and we'll
>>> have some better idea. We all jib at you for being vague/not indluding
>>> details but otherwise it is all just guesswork for the usual folk that
>>> hang out here.
>>>
>>> All the very best, as ever,
>>>
>>> Andy Cater
>>>
>> How much longer till trixie is officially out?? What you are
>> proposing sounds like several days work, and i have other irons in the
>> fire. This release has been such a disaster for me because the install
>> insists on installing and configuring orca and brltty w/o asking. I've
>> done 40 some installs now, trying to stop it from wasting about a
>> second while its yelling every keystroke at me because it thinks I'm
>> blind. I finally have orca disabled and the computer is useful. The
>> delays are a pain in the a$$ but i can do work now. It is not useful
>> when orca is using 90% of a 6 core I5 yelling at me loud enough to
>> announce and pronounce every keystroke or mouse motion/click loud
>> enough to wake the neighbors. The first 23 installs never asked me if
>> I wanted that crap. And if you nuked the orca executable it would not
>> reboot but hung forever waiting for orca to start. I have it usable,
>> the installer AFAIAC is broken and I don't want to have to go through
>> all that again. Until the installer ASKS me if I want it because it
>> thinks I am blind, I have only one nerve left and and the suggestion
>> that I do yet another install, is standing on it. Trying to remove it
>> now, it insists on removing gnome and every dependency. I just checked
>> again with synaptic, removing either orca or brltty still wants to
>> destroy the system, Yet all I get when I fuss about the broken
>> installer is "won't fix, not broken'.
>>
> Hi Gene,
>
> I, too, am not in need of the services that brltty or orca provide, and
> have noticed them hanging about from time to time, although I have not
> encountered any difficulties like you describe.
>
> On a bullseye system, apt-rdepends -r brltty informs me:
>
> # apt-rdepends -r brltty
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> Reading state information... Done
> brltty
> Reverse Depends: brltty-espeak (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
> Reverse Depends: brltty-flite (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
> Reverse Depends: brltty-speechd (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
> Reverse Depends: brltty-x11 (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
> brltty-espeak
> brltty-flite
> brltty-speechd
> brltty-x11
>
> If I understand apt-rdepends correctly, you should be able to
> remove/purge brltty ("apt purge brltty") without removing any installed
> packages other than the four listed above.
I have removed orca by removing its exec bits. But the system then will
not reboot, waiting forever for orca to start. The only recovery
possible is a re-install, which accounts for about the first 23
installs. But just like now, no one has told me how to REMOVE THEM ONCE
INSTALLED BY THE BROKEN INSTALLER. Finally i was instructed to remove
ALL usb stuff. Which did not remove them, but did not configure them to
run like I was blind. Some macular degeneration due to my age but not
blind yet at 89. And I still have both orca and brltty but unconfigured.
That I can tolerate. But in asking how to get rid of it, the subject
is always changed and I always get re-install instructions. Frustrating.
> apt-rdepends -r orca tells me:
>
> # apt-rdepends -r orca
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> Reading state information... Done
> orca
> Reverse Depends: gnome (>= 1:3.38+3)
> Reverse Depends: gnome-orca (3.38.2-2)
> Reverse Depends: orca-sops (1.0.2-2)
> gnome
> gnome-orca
> orca-sops
>
> So removing orca would also take gnome, and that probably is
> unacceptable to you. Accordingly, you need to tame orca to find the
> process that causes it to run and persuade it not to do that.
>
> I found, on a bookworm install (I have no bullseye with gnome and orca),
This is bookworm.
> that running orca -s from a terminal will bring up a settings panel with
> a check box for "Enable speech" under the "Speech" tab. Unchecking that
> box and selecting the "Apply" button will silence Orca. I think that
> leaves some of its subtasks running, as children of the systemd --user
> task; I am far from expert here. They do not seem to use significant
> resources, however.
>
> Alternatively, you can find orca's process, for instance, with "ps -ef |
> grep orca", and kill it. The -HUP signal is enough. Or you can kill its
> parent process (third column in the ps -ef output) if it is not a
> necessary one, or maybe teach it how to not start orca in the first place,
>
> I hope this is useful. Things like this can be very annoying.
An understatement Tom.
Thanks tom.
But when is trixie official.
>
> Regards,
> Tom Dial
>>
>>>
>>> .
>>
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
>
> .
Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
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