Re: about 10th new install of bullseye

From	gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: about 10th new install of bullseye
Date	2024-06-04 12:30 +0200
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On 2/19/22 06:31, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> Hi Gene,
> 
> If this was someone calling you from a TV station saying they had a TV
> transmitter that was varying in power output - you'd have a mental checklist.
> You'd get down there, perhaps schedule some sort of power down / reduced
> power operation and then you'd check - power supplies, feeder cables, hot
> spots on cables - whatever. Divide and conquer- working back to a baseline
> of known working conditions and eliminating causes.
> 
> My suggestion to you of a reinstall is partly designed to get you out of this
> "X happens, I did Y, now I've got Z" - to get to a known initial state.
> 
> Take out all the serial converters to UPS, lathe and so on. Wireless keyboard
> doesn't present as serial in the same way that brltty does - if it did, I'd
> have brltty with every install on this laptop.
> 
> Copy off your home directory as you did before - maybe using tar.gz and preserving permissions. Start with the .iso that includes firmware - the unofficial one.
> 
> Build back slowly - do an expert text mode install if you can. Then add your
> Trinity desktop - I don't think any of us can help you there, since we don't
> run trinity.
> 
> Check and you should find that brltty isn't installed at all. Then re-add thingsgradually until you have the working system you want. Document it - write down
> the steps you take / copy configuration files you change.
> 
> That will also reveal logging / login slowdowns or whatever caused by
> individual devices as you add them back. Keep a list as you go.
> 
> That's the counsel of perfection: alternatively:
> 
> apt rdepends brltty gives me:
> 
> me@mymachine:~$ apt rdepends brltty
> brltty
> Reverse Depends:
>    Suggests: speechd-el (>= 3.7.2)
>    Depends: brltty-espeak (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
>    Suggests: orca
>    Depends: brltty-x11 (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
>    Depends: brltty-speechd (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
>    Depends: brltty-flite (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
> 
> You could try apt-get remove (or equivalent) on each of those packages and
> see if that clears it. I _know_ this is frustrating as all get out for you
> but a clear approach, written down so that you can remember where you got
> to will be very helpful.
> 
> If all else fails, you can then share it with the list and say "I got to
> step X with no problems, then Y happened - help me out here" and we'll
> have some better idea. We all jib at you for being vague/not indluding
> details but otherwise it is all just guesswork for the usual folk that
> hang out here.
> 
> All the very best, as ever,
> 
> Andy Cater
> 
How much longer till trixie is officially out??  What you are proposing 
sounds like several days work, and i have other irons in the fire. This 
release has been such a disaster for me because the install insists on 
installing and configuring orca and brltty w/o asking. I've done 40 some 
installs now, trying to stop it from wasting about a second while its 
yelling every keystroke at me because it thinks I'm blind. I finally 
have orca disabled and the computer is useful. The delays are a pain in 
the a$$ but i can do work now. It is not useful when orca is using 90% 
of a 6 core I5 yelling at me loud enough to announce and pronounce every 
keystroke or mouse motion/click loud enough to wake the neighbors.  The 
first 23 installs never asked me if I wanted that crap. And if you nuked 
the orca executable it would not reboot but hung forever waiting for 
orca to start. I have it usable, the installer AFAIAC is broken and I 
don't want to have to go through all that again. Until the installer 
ASKS me if I want it because it thinks I am blind, I have only one nerve 
left and and the suggestion that I do yet another install, is standing 
on it. Trying to remove it now, it insists on removing gnome and every 
dependency. I just checked again with synaptic, removing either orca or 
brltty still wants to destroy the system, Yet all I get when I fuss 
about the broken installer is "won't fix, not broken'.


> 
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-04 12:30 +0200
  Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-06-04 20:20 +0200
  Re: about 10th new install of bullseye David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-06-05 04:50 +0200
  Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-06-05 08:40 +0200
    Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-06-05 12:10 +0200
    Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-05 17:00 +0200
      Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-06-05 17:20 +0200
        Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-05 17:50 +0200
          Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-06-05 18:10 +0200
          Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-06-06 11:50 +0200
      Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-06-05 23:50 +0200
        Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-06 04:00 +0200
          Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-06-07 00:00 +0200
            Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-07 06:30 +0200
            Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-07 07:20 +0200
              Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-06-07 13:20 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-07 14:10 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-07 14:10 +0200
              Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-07 13:40 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-07 23:30 +0200
              Re: about 10th new install of bullseye David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-06-08 00:20 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-08 01:20 +0200
              Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-06-08 03:00 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-08 07:50 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-06-08 09:30 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-08 21:20 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-06-09 00:10 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-09 08:10 +0200
                Snaps and Co [was: about 10th new install of bullseye] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-06-09 07:00 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-06-09 01:30 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-09 08:20 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-06-09 14:00 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-06-09 15:00 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-09 16:20 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-06-09 22:10 +0200
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      Re: about 10th new install of bookworm! Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-06-06 00:50 +0200
        Re: about 10th new install of bookworm! gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-06 04:10 +0200
          Re: about 10th new install of bookworm! Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-06-06 04:30 +0200
      Re: about 10th new install of bullseye BUT its not Bullseye, its  bookworm! David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-06-06 03:00 +0200
  Re: about 10th new install of bullseye "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-06-05 19:20 +0200
    Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-05 23:10 +0200

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