Re: about 10th new install of bullseye

From	"Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: about 10th new install of bullseye
Date	2024-06-05 19:20 +0200
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On Tue, Jun 04, 2024 at 06:26:31AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> On 2/19/22 06:31, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > Hi Gene,
> > 
> > You could try apt-get remove (or equivalent) on each of those packages and
> > see if that clears it. I _know_ this is frustrating as all get out for you
> > but a clear approach, written down so that you can remember where you got
> > to will be very helpful.
> > 
> > If all else fails, you can then share it with the list and say "I got to
> > step X with no problems, then Y happened - help me out here" and we'll
> > have some better idea. We all jib at you for being vague/not indluding
> > details but otherwise it is all just guesswork for the usual folk that
> > hang out here.
> > 
> > All the very best, as ever,
> > 
> > Andy Cater
> > 
> How much longer till trixie is officially out??  What you are proposing
> sounds like several days work, and i have other irons in the fire. This
> release has been such a disaster for me because the install insists on
> installing and configuring orca and brltty w/o asking. I've done 40 some
> installs now, trying to stop it from wasting about a second while its
> yelling every keystroke at me because it thinks I'm blind. I finally have
> orca disabled and the computer is useful. The delays are a pain in the a$$
> but i can do work now. It is not useful when orca is using 90% of a 6 core
> I5 yelling at me loud enough to announce and pronounce every keystroke or
> mouse motion/click loud enough to wake the neighbors.  The first 23 installs
> never asked me if I wanted that crap. And if you nuked the orca executable
> it would not reboot but hung forever waiting for orca to start. I have it
> usable, the installer AFAIAC is broken and I don't want to have to go
> through all that again. Until the installer ASKS me if I want it because it
> thinks I am blind, I have only one nerve left and and the suggestion that I
> do yet another install, is standing on it. Trying to remove it now, it
> insists on removing gnome and every dependency. I just checked again with
> synaptic, removing either orca or brltty still wants to destroy the system,
> Yet all I get when I fuss about the broken installer is "won't fix, not
> broken'.
> 

How long until trixie is out?  Could be 12-15 months.

Are you still running Bullseye there? if so, you should probably upgrade
to Bookworm sometime soon.

Given that I wrote this to you two years ago: you didn't actually take
the suggestion and reinstall. That's OK - but nobody has ever been able
to get to the root cause of brokenness here. Is it a Gene problem or a 
problem that hits other people more widely? We don't have details.

I see someone else has suggested strip a machine down to nothing and
do a clean install with Debian 12.5. Honestly, that's what I'd do.
If you can't/don't want to take this machine apart - find a spare
machine and do a Debian text mode install then install TDE.

At that point, you'll have a control - a counterpart that you can
check and you'll have done a complete install.

The suggestion that you can remove things and get it to work the 
way you want is only valid if you can tell us *exactly* what you've
done so one of us can reproduce the problem. At this distance, that's 
unlikely. It's not a complete cop-out but it would be easier if you could
do some sort of clean install. I'd help walk you through the steps: at
this rate, it might have been quicker for me to just airfreight you a 
working machine :)

All the very best, as ever,

Andy
(amacater@debian.org)

> 
> > 
> > .
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
>

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Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-04 12:30 +0200
  Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-06-04 20:20 +0200
  Re: about 10th new install of bullseye David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-06-05 04:50 +0200
  Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-06-05 08:40 +0200
    Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-06-05 12:10 +0200
    Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-05 17:00 +0200
      Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-06-05 17:20 +0200
        Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-05 17:50 +0200
          Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-06-05 18:10 +0200
          Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-06-06 11:50 +0200
      Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-06-05 23:50 +0200
        Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-06 04:00 +0200
          Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-06-07 00:00 +0200
            Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-07 06:30 +0200
            Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-07 07:20 +0200
              Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-06-07 13:20 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-07 14:10 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-07 14:10 +0200
              Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-07 13:40 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-07 23:30 +0200
              Re: about 10th new install of bullseye David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-06-08 00:20 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-08 01:20 +0200
              Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-06-08 03:00 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-08 07:50 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-06-08 09:30 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-08 21:20 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-06-09 00:10 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-09 08:10 +0200
                Snaps and Co [was: about 10th new install of bullseye] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-06-09 07:00 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-06-09 01:30 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-09 08:20 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-06-09 14:00 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-06-09 15:00 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-09 16:20 +0200
                Re: about 10th new install of bullseye Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-06-09 22:10 +0200
    Re: about 10th new install of bullseye BUT its not Bullseye, its  bookworm! gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-05 17:30 +0200
      Re: about 10th new install of bookworm! Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-06-06 00:50 +0200
        Re: about 10th new install of bookworm! gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-06 04:10 +0200
          Re: about 10th new install of bookworm! Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-06-06 04:30 +0200
      Re: about 10th new install of bullseye BUT its not Bullseye, its  bookworm! David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-06-06 03:00 +0200
  Re: about 10th new install of bullseye "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-06-05 19:20 +0200
    Re: about 10th new install of bullseye gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-06-05 23:10 +0200

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