Re: Messed up Email

From	Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Messed up Email
Date	2021-06-27 17:40 +0200
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 17:02:10 +0300
Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sb, 26 iun 21, 14:05:04, Brian wrote:
> > On Sat 26 Jun 2021 at 14:14:13 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > An interesting read. Countered at
> > 
> > https://matrix.org/blog/2020/01/02/on-privacy-versus-freedom
> 
> Looking forward for them to prove Moxie wrong, really!

I certainly have a much less profound understanding of the issues, both
philosophical and technical, than the experts on both sides of this
debate, but my sympathies lie strongly with the Matrix people. From
their blog post (thanks, Brian) - I think this is worth posting here:

> It’s true that if you’re writing a messaging app optimised for privacy
> at any cost, Moxie’s approach is one way to do it. However, this ends
> up being a perversely closed world - a closed network, where unofficial
> clients are banned, with no platform to build on, no open standards,
> and you end up thoroughly putting all your eggs in one basket, trusting
> past, present & future Signal to retain its values, stay up and somehow
> dodge compromise & censorship… despite probably being the single
> highest value attack target on the ‘net.
> 
> Quite simply, that isn’t a world I want to live in.
> 
> We owe the entire success of the Internet (let alone the Web) to
> openness, interoperability and decentralisation. To declare that
> openness, interoperability and decentralisation is ‘too hard’ and not
> worth the effort when building a messaging solution is to throw away
> all the potential of the vibrancy, creativity and innovation that comes
> from an open network. Sure, you may end up with a super-private
> messaging app - but one that starts to smell alarmingly like a walled
> garden like Facebook’s Internet.org initiative, or an AOL keyword, or
> Google’s AMP.

Celejar

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Messed up Email "Gary L. Roach" <garyroach719@gmail.com> - 2021-06-22 01:30 +0200
  Re: Messed up Email Mark Allums <mark@allums.email> - 2021-06-22 06:10 +0200
  Gmail's special approach to Email [was: Re: Messed up Email] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-22 10:50 +0200
    Re: Gmail's special approach to Email [was: Re: Messed up Email]  (SOLVED) "Gary L. Roach" <garyroach719@gmail.com> - 2021-06-22 22:20 +0200
  Re: Messed up Email Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-06-22 12:40 +0200
    Re: Messed up Email Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-22 13:10 +0200
      Re: Messed up Email Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-06-22 13:20 +0200
        Re: Messed up Email The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-06-22 13:40 +0200
          Re: Messed up Email Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-22 13:50 +0200
        Re: Messed up Email Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-06-22 16:50 +0200
    Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-22 20:40 +0200
      Re: Messed up Email Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-06-22 20:50 +0200
        Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-22 21:00 +0200
      Re: Messed up Email Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-06-22 21:10 +0200
        Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-22 21:40 +0200
      Re: Messed up Email Michael Grant <mgrant@grant.org> - 2021-06-23 14:00 +0200
        Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-23 21:30 +0200
          Re: Messed up Email Brian Thompson <bthompson.deb@gmail.com> - 2021-06-23 23:20 +0200
        Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-23 23:00 +0200
          Re: Messed up Email Michael Grant <mgrant@grant.org> - 2021-06-23 23:20 +0200
            Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-24 00:30 +0200
              Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-24 20:10 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-06-24 20:20 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-26 12:40 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-26 13:20 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-26 15:10 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-26 16:10 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-27 17:40 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-06-26 13:50 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-26 16:00 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-27 18:00 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-28 09:30 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-27 17:50 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-27 17:30 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-28 08:40 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-24 22:10 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-25 00:50 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-25 20:10 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-25 20:50 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-06-26 04:40 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-06-26 15:20 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-26 12:10 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-26 14:00 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-26 12:20 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-27 17:20 +0200

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