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| From | "Gary L. Roach" <garyroach719@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: Gmail's special approach to Email [was: Re: Messed up Email] (SOLVED) |
| Date | 2021-06-22 22:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CsV2i-5y8-7@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
| References | <CsBwC-2fw-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <CsKgx-7vX-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| Organization | linux.* mail to news gateway |
Thank all of you for your replies, Andrei's missive below was the fix I needed. After unsubscribing "All-Mail" and one other folder, I restarted Thunderbird and my problem disappeared. All my mail now passes through my InBox and is processed by my local filters. Just what I wanted. Gary R. On 6/22/21 1:48 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 21 iun 21, 16:22:42, Gary L. Roach wrote: >> For some years, I have been using Thunderbird on Debian with no problems. >> Over a year ago I switched to gmail.com (Imap server) for my mail server. >> Everything went fine until about 6 months ago . All of a sudden I had an >> All-Mail folder that wasn't there before. > It most certainly was there, but maybe your Thunderbird wasn't showing > it (i.e. 'subscribed'). > >> Since then all of my Emails are >> bypassing my InBox and my filters. I decided to sort out the All-Mail by >> creating a new set of filters and running them on the All-Mail box. I >> completely cleaned out all 4000 or so Emails. > It's not clear, but it seems you are referring to *local* filters (Gmail https://www.google.com/ > has it's own filtering facility). E.g. I have a rule to archive and mark > as read all messages that are To or Cc debian-user (but not from other > Debian lists), so I don't ever see the message in my Gmail Inbox if you > ever Cc: me on debian-user ;) > >> As soon as I restarted >> Thunderbird all of the old Emails were downloaded from the web and re-filled >> the All-Mail box. Nothing in the InBox. In addition, I now have multiplehttps://www.google.com/ >> copies of the same messages in all of my local folders. In short I have a >> real mess on my hands. I have seen various solutions on the web but none >> seem to work. I also noted that pop servers, unlike imap servers, store all >> of the files on the local computer. Could switching to pop solve this >> problem? Are there any other solutions? Please help. > POP3 is basically just a simple method to download messages locally and > optionally delete them from the server. As far as I know IMAP4 can do > everything POP3 can, and more. For your particular issue it probably https://www.google.com/ > won't help at all. > > > Quick solution for your problem: just 'unsubscribe' from the 'All Mail' > folder and carry on. > > Long answer: > > 1. There is only one copy of each message on Gmail, ever.[1] > > 2. Messages can have one or more 'Labels', that are exposed as separate > folders via IMAP (or POP if you prefer that). > > 3. Except for messages in 'Thrash' and 'Spam' every message *also* has > the Label 'All Mail'. It might help to think of it as *the* > storage / archive for *all* your messages that you still want to keep. > > 4. Consequently the only way to permanently remove messages from > 'All Mail' is to delete them (move to 'Trash') or mark them as spam > (move to 'Spam'). Both actions will also remove them from *every* other > Label/IMAP folder. > > A side effect of all of the above is that marking a message as read in > one Label/IMAP folder will also mark it as read in every other > Label/IMAP folder it (still) exists, because it's the same message from > Gmail's point of view[2]. > > > [1] This is a long-standing issue for list subscribers that receive list > mail at the same Gmail address they are using for posting. > > Gmail just drops the message returning via the list (because there is > already a copy in 'Sent') and they can't tell if the message went > through without checking the archives. > > Because of this I just gave up and subscribed a GMX address to the list, > with the added advantage (for me) of classic IMAP support. > > [2] This can actually be helpful for big threads cross-posted to two or > more lists you are subscribed to, though in general I prefer to have > separate copies and read/unread state of messages for each list. > > > Hope this helps, > Andrei
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Messed up Email "Gary L. Roach" <garyroach719@gmail.com> - 2021-06-22 01:30 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Mark Allums <mark@allums.email> - 2021-06-22 06:10 +0200
Gmail's special approach to Email [was: Re: Messed up Email] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-22 10:50 +0200
Re: Gmail's special approach to Email [was: Re: Messed up Email] (SOLVED) "Gary L. Roach" <garyroach719@gmail.com> - 2021-06-22 22:20 +0200
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Re: Messed up Email Brian Thompson <bthompson.deb@gmail.com> - 2021-06-23 23:20 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-23 23:00 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Michael Grant <mgrant@grant.org> - 2021-06-23 23:20 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-24 00:30 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-24 20:10 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-06-24 20:20 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-26 12:40 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-26 13:20 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-26 15:10 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-26 16:10 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-27 17:40 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-06-26 13:50 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-26 16:00 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-27 18:00 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-28 09:30 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-27 17:50 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-27 17:30 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-28 08:40 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-24 22:10 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-25 00:50 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-25 20:10 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-25 20:50 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-06-26 04:40 +0200
Re: Messed up Email John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-06-26 15:20 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-26 12:10 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-26 14:00 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-26 12:20 +0200
Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-27 17:20 +0200
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