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Re: Gmail's special approach to Email [was: Re: Messed up Email] (SOLVED)

From "Gary L. Roach" <garyroach719@gmail.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: Gmail's special approach to Email [was: Re: Messed up Email] (SOLVED)
Date 2021-06-22 22:20 +0200
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Thank all of you for your replies,

Andrei's missive below was the fix I needed. After unsubscribing 
"All-Mail" and one other folder, I restarted Thunderbird and my problem 
disappeared. All my mail now passes through my InBox and is processed by 
my local filters. Just what I wanted.

Gary R.

On 6/22/21 1:48 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 21 iun 21, 16:22:42, Gary L. Roach wrote:
>> For some years, I have been using Thunderbird on Debian with no problems.
>> Over a year ago I switched to gmail.com (Imap server) for my mail server.
>> Everything went fine until about 6 months ago . All of a sudden I had an
>> All-Mail folder that wasn't there before.
> It most certainly was there, but maybe your Thunderbird wasn't showing
> it (i.e. 'subscribed').
>
>> Since then all of my Emails are
>> bypassing my InBox and my filters. I decided to sort out the All-Mail by
>> creating a new set of filters and running them on the All-Mail box. I
>> completely cleaned out all 4000 or so Emails.
> It's not clear, but it seems you are referring to *local* filters (Gmail https://www.google.com/
> has it's own filtering facility). E.g. I have a rule to archive and mark
> as read all messages that are To or Cc debian-user (but not from other
> Debian lists), so I don't ever see the message in my Gmail Inbox if you
> ever Cc: me on debian-user ;)
>
>> As soon as I restarted
>> Thunderbird all of the old Emails were downloaded from the web and re-filled
>> the All-Mail box. Nothing in the InBox. In addition, I now have multiplehttps://www.google.com/
>> copies of the same messages in all of my local folders. In short I have a
>> real mess on my hands. I have seen various solutions on the web but none
>> seem to work. I also noted that pop servers, unlike imap servers, store all
>> of the files on the local computer. Could switching to pop solve this
>> problem? Are there any other solutions? Please help.
> POP3 is basically just a simple method to download messages locally and
> optionally delete them from the server. As far as I know IMAP4 can do
> everything POP3 can, and more. For your particular issue it probably https://www.google.com/
> won't help at all.
>
>
> Quick solution for your problem: just 'unsubscribe' from the 'All Mail'
> folder and carry on.
>
> Long answer:
>
> 1. There is only one copy of each message on Gmail, ever.[1]
>
> 2. Messages can have one or more 'Labels', that are exposed as separate
> folders via IMAP (or POP if you prefer that).
>
> 3. Except for messages in 'Thrash' and 'Spam' every message *also* has
> the Label 'All Mail'. It might help to think of it as *the*
> storage / archive for *all* your messages that you still want to keep.
>
> 4. Consequently the only way to permanently remove messages from
> 'All Mail' is to delete them (move to 'Trash') or mark them as spam
> (move to 'Spam'). Both actions will also remove them from *every* other
> Label/IMAP folder.
>
> A side effect of all of the above is that marking a message as read in
> one Label/IMAP folder will also mark it as read in every other
> Label/IMAP folder it (still) exists, because it's the same message from
> Gmail's point of view[2].
>
>
> [1] This is a long-standing issue for list subscribers that receive list
> mail at the same Gmail address they are using for posting.
>
> Gmail just drops the message returning via the list (because there is
> already a copy in 'Sent') and they can't tell if the message went
> through without checking the archives.
>
> Because of this I just gave up and subscribed a GMX address to the list,
> with the added advantage (for me) of classic IMAP support.
>
> [2] This can actually be helpful for big threads cross-posted to two or
> more lists you are subscribed to, though in general I prefer to have
> separate copies and read/unread state of messages for each list.
>
>
> Hope this helps,
> Andrei

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Messed up Email "Gary L. Roach" <garyroach719@gmail.com> - 2021-06-22 01:30 +0200
  Re: Messed up Email Mark Allums <mark@allums.email> - 2021-06-22 06:10 +0200
  Gmail's special approach to Email [was: Re: Messed up Email] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-22 10:50 +0200
    Re: Gmail's special approach to Email [was: Re: Messed up Email]  (SOLVED) "Gary L. Roach" <garyroach719@gmail.com> - 2021-06-22 22:20 +0200
  Re: Messed up Email Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-06-22 12:40 +0200
    Re: Messed up Email Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-22 13:10 +0200
      Re: Messed up Email Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-06-22 13:20 +0200
        Re: Messed up Email The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-06-22 13:40 +0200
          Re: Messed up Email Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-22 13:50 +0200
        Re: Messed up Email Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-06-22 16:50 +0200
    Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-22 20:40 +0200
      Re: Messed up Email Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-06-22 20:50 +0200
        Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-22 21:00 +0200
      Re: Messed up Email Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-06-22 21:10 +0200
        Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-22 21:40 +0200
      Re: Messed up Email Michael Grant <mgrant@grant.org> - 2021-06-23 14:00 +0200
        Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-23 21:30 +0200
          Re: Messed up Email Brian Thompson <bthompson.deb@gmail.com> - 2021-06-23 23:20 +0200
        Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-23 23:00 +0200
          Re: Messed up Email Michael Grant <mgrant@grant.org> - 2021-06-23 23:20 +0200
            Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-24 00:30 +0200
              Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-24 20:10 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-06-24 20:20 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-26 12:40 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-26 13:20 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-26 15:10 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-26 16:10 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-27 17:40 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-06-26 13:50 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-26 16:00 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-27 18:00 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-28 09:30 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-27 17:50 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-27 17:30 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-28 08:40 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-24 22:10 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-25 00:50 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-25 20:10 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-25 20:50 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-06-26 04:40 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-06-26 15:20 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-26 12:10 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-26 14:00 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-26 12:20 +0200
                Re: Messed up Email Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-06-27 17:20 +0200

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