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Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with Testing/Bullseye

From Philip Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with Testing/Bullseye
Date 2021-02-16 23:10 +0100
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On Tue, 2021-02-16 at 16:45 -0500, Gary Dale wrote:
> On 2021-02-13 03:02, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Vi, 12 feb 21, 17:00:41, Gary Dale wrote:
> > > Which is why I think it would be useful to have way to rollback a
> > > package
> > > when you can't fix it quickly. That way you aren't asking all the
> > > users to
> > > do it themselves and track the bug status individually. When the
> > > maintainers
> > > think they have a fix, it can go through the normal process...
> > Debian doesn't support downgrading of packages.
> > 
> > When dpkg installs another version of a package (typically newer)
> > it
> > basically overwrites the existing version and runs the
> > corresponding
> > package scripts from the to be installed version.
> > 
> > A newer package may introduce changes that the older package
> > (scripts)
> > can't deal with. In practice it does work in many cases, except for
> > those where it doesn't. Fixing them would require a time machine ;)
> > 
> > A roll-back, especially if automatic, could introduce more issues
> > than
> > it fixes.
> > 
> > Someone(tm) has to determine on a case by case basis whether
> > rolling
> > back makes sense and the system administrator is in the best
> > position to
> > do so.
> > 
> > In theory the package Maintainer could provide a general "hint"
> > that
> > system administrators could chose to ignore (at their own risk).
> > 
> > Currently the infrastructure for this doesn't exist[1] and,
> > besides, I'd
> > rather have Maintainers focus on fixing the newer package instead.
> > 
> > 
> >      Volunteer time is precious!
> > 
> > 
> > [1] it would need support in the Debian archive software and APT at
> > a
> > minimum.
> > 
> > Besides, there is already an arguably safer (though hackish) way to
> > achieve that by uploading a package with
> > version+really.the.old.version
> > instead.
> > 
> > In this case the Maintainer can also take care to adjust the
> > package
> > scripts accordingly.
> > 
> > Random example found on my system:
> > 
> > $ rmadison fonts-font-awesome
> > fonts-font-awesome | 4.2.0~dfsg-1                      |
> > oldoldstable     | source, all
> > fonts-font-awesome | 4.7.0~dfsg-1                      |
> > oldstable        | source, all
> > fonts-font-awesome | 5.0.10+really4.7.0~dfsg-1         |
> > stable           | source, all
> > fonts-font-awesome | 5.0.10+really4.7.0~dfsg-4~bpo10+1 | buster-
> > backports | source, all
> > fonts-font-awesome | 5.0.10+really4.7.0~dfsg-4         |
> > testing          | source, all
> > fonts-font-awesome | 5.0.10+really4.7.0~dfsg-4         |
> > unstable         | source, all
> > 
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > Andrei
> 
> I hear you, but the issue is that if I revert to a previous version, 
> then I have to hold it to stop the buggy version from clobbering it 
> every day. And I have to monitor the Testing version for changes to
> see 
> when a fix is potentially available so I can remove the hold.
> 
> Not just me but every user who is experiencing the bug also has to do
> this.
> 
> There is a kludge for this if the buggy version didn't contain
> critical 
> security fixes - re-release the previous version with a slightly
> higher 
> version number than the buggy one (e.g. 3.7.0-5a). When the bug is 
> (finally) fixed, give the fixed version a slightly higher number
> still 
> (e.g. 3.7.0.5b).
> 
> Again this would only be done where it appears that fixing the bug
> may 
> take time (it's been over a month now). If I were to do the
> alternative 
> - pull packages from Sid - I have no real indication if they fix it
> or 
> introduce even worse problems.
> 
> I can only assume that the reason a fix hasn't made it down through
> Sid 
> yet is that it's not simple. My suggestion isn't to make more work
> for 
> maintainers but rather to take the time pressure off them without 
> leaving us testers to jump through hoops.
> 
> 

Hi,

What appears to be the fixed version is in sid (3.7.0-7). It has to
pass in sid for 10 days before migration to testing, see below link.

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gnutls28

https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/g/gnutls28/gnutls28_3.7.0-7_changelog

My testing with filezilla, shows all to be working once more, though
testing has been limited.

Regards

Phil

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FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-13 03:30 +0100
  Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Philip Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2021-01-13 05:20 +0100
    Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-13 20:50 +0100
      Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with Testing/Bullseye Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2021-01-13 21:00 +0100
        Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-13 21:40 +0100
          Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with Testing/Bullseye Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2021-01-13 22:00 +0100
            Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-14 01:50 +0100
              Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-01-20 16:50 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Philip Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2021-01-20 17:40 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-01-20 21:00 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-28 16:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-01-28 17:10 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-28 17:40 +0100
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                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-12 18:30 +0100
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                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-12 22:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-12 22:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2021-02-13 13:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-02-13 15:40 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2021-02-13 17:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-02-12 22:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-12 23:10 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-02-13 09:10 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-02-13 15:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-16 22:50 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Philip Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2021-02-16 23:10 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-17 18:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-02-17 11:00 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-17 18:20 +0100
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