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Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with Testing/Bullseye

From Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with Testing/Bullseye
Date 2021-02-13 09:10 +0100
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On Vi, 12 feb 21, 17:00:41, Gary Dale wrote:
> 
> Which is why I think it would be useful to have way to rollback a package
> when you can't fix it quickly. That way you aren't asking all the users to
> do it themselves and track the bug status individually. When the maintainers
> think they have a fix, it can go through the normal process...

Debian doesn't support downgrading of packages.

When dpkg installs another version of a package (typically newer) it 
basically overwrites the existing version and runs the corresponding 
package scripts from the to be installed version.

A newer package may introduce changes that the older package (scripts) 
can't deal with. In practice it does work in many cases, except for 
those where it doesn't. Fixing them would require a time machine ;)

A roll-back, especially if automatic, could introduce more issues than 
it fixes.

Someone(tm) has to determine on a case by case basis whether rolling 
back makes sense and the system administrator is in the best position to 
do so.

In theory the package Maintainer could provide a general "hint" that 
system administrators could chose to ignore (at their own risk).

Currently the infrastructure for this doesn't exist[1] and, besides, I'd 
rather have Maintainers focus on fixing the newer package instead.


    Volunteer time is precious!


[1] it would need support in the Debian archive software and APT at a 
minimum.

Besides, there is already an arguably safer (though hackish) way to 
achieve that by uploading a package with version+really.the.old.version 
instead.

In this case the Maintainer can also take care to adjust the package 
scripts accordingly.

Random example found on my system:

$ rmadison fonts-font-awesome
fonts-font-awesome | 4.2.0~dfsg-1                      | oldoldstable     | source, all
fonts-font-awesome | 4.7.0~dfsg-1                      | oldstable        | source, all
fonts-font-awesome | 5.0.10+really4.7.0~dfsg-1         | stable           | source, all
fonts-font-awesome | 5.0.10+really4.7.0~dfsg-4~bpo10+1 | buster-backports | source, all
fonts-font-awesome | 5.0.10+really4.7.0~dfsg-4         | testing          | source, all
fonts-font-awesome | 5.0.10+really4.7.0~dfsg-4         | unstable         | source, all


Kind regards,
Andrei
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http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-13 03:30 +0100
  Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Philip Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2021-01-13 05:20 +0100
    Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-13 20:50 +0100
      Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with Testing/Bullseye Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2021-01-13 21:00 +0100
        Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-13 21:40 +0100
          Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with Testing/Bullseye Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2021-01-13 22:00 +0100
            Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-14 01:50 +0100
              Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-01-20 16:50 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Philip Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2021-01-20 17:40 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-01-20 21:00 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-28 16:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-01-28 17:10 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-28 17:40 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-10 22:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-02-12 15:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-12 18:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2021-02-12 19:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-02-12 22:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2021-02-12 20:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Paul Scott <waterhorse@ultrasw.com> - 2021-02-12 20:40 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Frank de Bruijn <frank.de.bruijn@ziggo.nl> - 2021-02-12 22:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-12 22:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-12 22:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2021-02-13 13:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-02-13 15:40 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2021-02-13 17:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-02-12 22:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-12 23:10 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-02-13 09:10 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-02-13 15:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-16 22:50 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Philip Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2021-02-16 23:10 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-17 18:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-02-17 11:00 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-17 18:20 +0100
  Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-01-14 00:10 +0100

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