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Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with Testing/Bullseye

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On 2021-02-16 17:02, Philip Wyett wrote:
> On Tue, 2021-02-16 at 16:45 -0500, Gary Dale wrote:
>> On 2021-02-13 03:02, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>>> On Vi, 12 feb 21, 17:00:41, Gary Dale wrote:
>>>> Which is why I think it would be useful to have way to rollback a
>>>> package
>>>> when you can't fix it quickly. That way you aren't asking all the
>>>> users to
>>>> do it themselves and track the bug status individually. When the
>>>> maintainers
>>>> think they have a fix, it can go through the normal process...
>>> Debian doesn't support downgrading of packages.
>>>
>>> When dpkg installs another version of a package (typically newer)
>>> it
>>> basically overwrites the existing version and runs the
>>> corresponding
>>> package scripts from the to be installed version.
>>>
>>> A newer package may introduce changes that the older package
>>> (scripts)
>>> can't deal with. In practice it does work in many cases, except for
>>> those where it doesn't. Fixing them would require a time machine ;)
>>>
>>> A roll-back, especially if automatic, could introduce more issues
>>> than
>>> it fixes.
>>>
>>> Someone(tm) has to determine on a case by case basis whether
>>> rolling
>>> back makes sense and the system administrator is in the best
>>> position to
>>> do so.
>>>
>>> In theory the package Maintainer could provide a general "hint"
>>> that
>>> system administrators could chose to ignore (at their own risk).
>>>
>>> Currently the infrastructure for this doesn't exist[1] and,
>>> besides, I'd
>>> rather have Maintainers focus on fixing the newer package instead.
>>>
>>>
>>>       Volunteer time is precious!
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] it would need support in the Debian archive software and APT at
>>> a
>>> minimum.
>>>
>>> Besides, there is already an arguably safer (though hackish) way to
>>> achieve that by uploading a package with
>>> version+really.the.old.version
>>> instead.
>>>
>>> In this case the Maintainer can also take care to adjust the
>>> package
>>> scripts accordingly.
>>>
>>> Random example found on my system:
>>>
>>> $ rmadison fonts-font-awesome
>>> fonts-font-awesome | 4.2.0~dfsg-1                      |
>>> oldoldstable     | source, all
>>> fonts-font-awesome | 4.7.0~dfsg-1                      |
>>> oldstable        | source, all
>>> fonts-font-awesome | 5.0.10+really4.7.0~dfsg-1         |
>>> stable           | source, all
>>> fonts-font-awesome | 5.0.10+really4.7.0~dfsg-4~bpo10+1 | buster-
>>> backports | source, all
>>> fonts-font-awesome | 5.0.10+really4.7.0~dfsg-4         |
>>> testing          | source, all
>>> fonts-font-awesome | 5.0.10+really4.7.0~dfsg-4         |
>>> unstable         | source, all
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Andrei
>> I hear you, but the issue is that if I revert to a previous version,
>> then I have to hold it to stop the buggy version from clobbering it
>> every day. And I have to monitor the Testing version for changes to
>> see
>> when a fix is potentially available so I can remove the hold.
>>
>> Not just me but every user who is experiencing the bug also has to do
>> this.
>>
>> There is a kludge for this if the buggy version didn't contain
>> critical
>> security fixes - re-release the previous version with a slightly
>> higher
>> version number than the buggy one (e.g. 3.7.0-5a). When the bug is
>> (finally) fixed, give the fixed version a slightly higher number
>> still
>> (e.g. 3.7.0.5b).
>>
>> Again this would only be done where it appears that fixing the bug
>> may
>> take time (it's been over a month now). If I were to do the
>> alternative
>> - pull packages from Sid - I have no real indication if they fix it
>> or
>> introduce even worse problems.
>>
>> I can only assume that the reason a fix hasn't made it down through
>> Sid
>> yet is that it's not simple. My suggestion isn't to make more work
>> for
>> maintainers but rather to take the time pressure off them without
>> leaving us testers to jump through hoops.
>>
>>
> Hi,
>
> What appears to be the fixed version is in sid (3.7.0-7). It has to
> pass in sid for 10 days before migration to testing, see below link.
>
> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gnutls28
>
> https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/g/gnutls28/gnutls28_3.7.0-7_changelog
>
> My testing with filezilla, shows all to be working once more, though
> testing has been limited.
>
> Regards
>
> Phil
>
Confirmed. Seems to work. You need to install libnettle and libgnutls 
from Sid as well.

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FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-13 03:30 +0100
  Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Philip Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2021-01-13 05:20 +0100
    Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-13 20:50 +0100
      Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with Testing/Bullseye Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2021-01-13 21:00 +0100
        Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-13 21:40 +0100
          Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with Testing/Bullseye Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2021-01-13 22:00 +0100
            Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-14 01:50 +0100
              Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-01-20 16:50 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Philip Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2021-01-20 17:40 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-01-20 21:00 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-28 16:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-01-28 17:10 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-28 17:40 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-10 22:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-02-12 15:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-12 18:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2021-02-12 19:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-02-12 22:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2021-02-12 20:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Paul Scott <waterhorse@ultrasw.com> - 2021-02-12 20:40 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Frank de Bruijn <frank.de.bruijn@ziggo.nl> - 2021-02-12 22:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-12 22:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-12 22:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2021-02-13 13:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-02-13 15:40 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2021-02-13 17:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-02-12 22:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-12 23:10 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-02-13 09:10 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-02-13 15:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-16 22:50 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Philip Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2021-02-16 23:10 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-17 18:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-02-17 11:00 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-17 18:20 +0100
  Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-01-14 00:10 +0100

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