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Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with Testing/Bullseye

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On 2021-02-13 03:02, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 12 feb 21, 17:00:41, Gary Dale wrote:
>> Which is why I think it would be useful to have way to rollback a package
>> when you can't fix it quickly. That way you aren't asking all the users to
>> do it themselves and track the bug status individually. When the maintainers
>> think they have a fix, it can go through the normal process...
> Debian doesn't support downgrading of packages.
>
> When dpkg installs another version of a package (typically newer) it
> basically overwrites the existing version and runs the corresponding
> package scripts from the to be installed version.
>
> A newer package may introduce changes that the older package (scripts)
> can't deal with. In practice it does work in many cases, except for
> those where it doesn't. Fixing them would require a time machine ;)
>
> A roll-back, especially if automatic, could introduce more issues than
> it fixes.
>
> Someone(tm) has to determine on a case by case basis whether rolling
> back makes sense and the system administrator is in the best position to
> do so.
>
> In theory the package Maintainer could provide a general "hint" that
> system administrators could chose to ignore (at their own risk).
>
> Currently the infrastructure for this doesn't exist[1] and, besides, I'd
> rather have Maintainers focus on fixing the newer package instead.
>
>
>      Volunteer time is precious!
>
>
> [1] it would need support in the Debian archive software and APT at a
> minimum.
>
> Besides, there is already an arguably safer (though hackish) way to
> achieve that by uploading a package with version+really.the.old.version
> instead.
>
> In this case the Maintainer can also take care to adjust the package
> scripts accordingly.
>
> Random example found on my system:
>
> $ rmadison fonts-font-awesome
> fonts-font-awesome | 4.2.0~dfsg-1                      | oldoldstable     | source, all
> fonts-font-awesome | 4.7.0~dfsg-1                      | oldstable        | source, all
> fonts-font-awesome | 5.0.10+really4.7.0~dfsg-1         | stable           | source, all
> fonts-font-awesome | 5.0.10+really4.7.0~dfsg-4~bpo10+1 | buster-backports | source, all
> fonts-font-awesome | 5.0.10+really4.7.0~dfsg-4         | testing          | source, all
> fonts-font-awesome | 5.0.10+really4.7.0~dfsg-4         | unstable         | source, all
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrei

I hear you, but the issue is that if I revert to a previous version, 
then I have to hold it to stop the buggy version from clobbering it 
every day. And I have to monitor the Testing version for changes to see 
when a fix is potentially available so I can remove the hold.

Not just me but every user who is experiencing the bug also has to do this.

There is a kludge for this if the buggy version didn't contain critical 
security fixes - re-release the previous version with a slightly higher 
version number than the buggy one (e.g. 3.7.0-5a). When the bug is 
(finally) fixed, give the fixed version a slightly higher number still 
(e.g. 3.7.0.5b).

Again this would only be done where it appears that fixing the bug may 
take time (it's been over a month now). If I were to do the alternative 
- pull packages from Sid - I have no real indication if they fix it or 
introduce even worse problems.

I can only assume that the reason a fix hasn't made it down through Sid 
yet is that it's not simple. My suggestion isn't to make more work for 
maintainers but rather to take the time pressure off them without 
leaving us testers to jump through hoops.

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FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-13 03:30 +0100
  Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Philip Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2021-01-13 05:20 +0100
    Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-13 20:50 +0100
      Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with Testing/Bullseye Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2021-01-13 21:00 +0100
        Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-13 21:40 +0100
          Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with Testing/Bullseye Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2021-01-13 22:00 +0100
            Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-14 01:50 +0100
              Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-01-20 16:50 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Philip Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2021-01-20 17:40 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-01-20 21:00 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-28 16:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-01-28 17:10 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-01-28 17:40 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-10 22:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-02-12 15:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-12 18:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2021-02-12 19:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-02-12 22:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2021-02-12 20:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Paul Scott <waterhorse@ultrasw.com> - 2021-02-12 20:40 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Frank de Bruijn <frank.de.bruijn@ziggo.nl> - 2021-02-12 22:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-12 22:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-12 22:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2021-02-13 13:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-02-13 15:40 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2021-02-13 17:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-02-12 22:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-12 23:10 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-02-13 09:10 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-02-13 15:30 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-16 22:50 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Philip Wyett <philip.wyett@kathenas.org> - 2021-02-16 23:10 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-17 18:20 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-02-17 11:00 +0100
                Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-02-17 18:20 +0100
  Re: FileZilla / ftp / GnuTLS error connecting to sites with  Testing/Bullseye songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-01-14 00:10 +0100

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