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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.software.thunderbird, alt.comp.microsoft.windows, alt.os.linux |
| Subject | Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 |
| Date | 2022-03-05 00:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <99iafi-j93.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink) |
| References | <svtge1$vja$1@gioia.aioe.org> <629afi-d8g.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> <svttfj$450$1@dont-email.me> <0mbafi-8li.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> <svu32i$ekr$1@dont-email.me> |
Cross-posted to 3 groups.
On 2022-03-04 23:15, The Real Bev wrote: > On 03/04/2022 01:07 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2022-03-04 21:40, The Real Bev wrote: >>> On 03/04/2022 12:23 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2022-03-04 17:57, Andy Burnelli wrote: >> >> ... >> >>>>> Do you have any solution that allows us to keep using a password in >>>>> an MUA? >>>> >>>> >>>> As you are setting the followup to alt.comp.software.thunderbird (which >>>> I ignored, of course), it means that you are only interested in an >>>> answer for Thunderbird. >>>> >>>> So, for Thunderbird, the solution is obvious: Use Oauth2, like it or >>>> not. >>>> >>>> Alternatively, use application passwords (a different password for each >>>> application). This requires you to active 2FA, which I know you dislike >>>> because it implies using your phone. >>>> >>>> Thus you can only stop using Google. >>> >>> So let me get this straight... I can keep using Thunderbird38 on my >>> computer with my gmail accounts as long as I implement Oauth2 (whatever >>> that is) and delete my stored passwords (which I just saved with an xv >>> screenshot). >> >> No. >> >> You need to change to a modern version of Thunderbird that does support >> Oauth2, and on the affected gmail account change security settings to >> >> connection security: ssl/tls >> authentication method: OAuth2 > > The authentication settings are individual for each account. Double > crap. I have 14 mail accounts (not all gmail) and 6 news accounts. The > passwords all seem to be saved in the same file/database/whatever. So > for google's 'security' I have to re-enter all the non-google > information as well as ensuring that the gmail smtp server will still > work with the non-google mail accounts.... > > My profile, including my stored mail going back to 1990, is 8.7GB. It's > irreplaceable. Assuming I have to give up the extensions and .css > entries that stopped working in versions later than 38, how can I avoid > losing all that? (1) A simple update to whatever the latest POS is or > (2) a completely new thunderbird installation, create a new profile, and > copy over the contents of the old profile? Or something else? I > normally use method #2 with firefox, but I haven't made any changes to > TB since 2015. Oauth2 is interactive. So, when you configure for oauth, Thunderbird will prompt with a different window to type your credentials (I think it is done with javascript). You can not enter your credentials in a configuration file. Thunderbird must see you typing the login and password, and gmail must believe you. AFAIR it can do things like asking you to identify pedestrian crossings in a bunch of small photos. Yes, just as if you login via web. >> Alternatively, set up application passwords. > > Does TB38 allow that? Seems like a better alternative. It doesn't depend on the tool. You have to login via web, enter certain menu (sorry, I forgot which, but I can look it up if you want), and ask google to generate the password for the external tool. And it is a long one. This only works if you have 2FA enabled. >>> What about uploading photos to google photos? What about using google >>> maps? What about my saved places in google maps? What about those >>> things using my phone instead of my linux (or windows or laptop or other >>> people's computers) computer? Will they send me a text message with a >>> code to load in every single time I use a google app? >> >> As we are not in the phone forums, and this was posted to Windows and >> Linux forums instead, you are thus using a web browser to access any of >> that, so you are not affected. >> >> (In an android phone, you are already logged in to Google, so you are >> not affected, either) > >>> Personally, password security is perfectly acceptable to me -- if I were >>> plotting to overthrow the world perhaps I'd feel differently, but I >>> don't say a hell of a lot in email that I wouldn't be willing to post >>> publicly. I AM unwilling to pay T-Mobile a dime every time I need to >>> deal with a text message in order to deal with any google product. >> >> Your opinion, as mine, is irrelevant >:-P > > I've noticed that... > >> Anyway, the rationale is that Google is working for millions of people, >> not you, and that for millions of people their email is used to >> authenticate to many services remotely (say, Amazon, you bank, etc) and >> in those cases it is better to have secure defaults. It is a fact, so >> Google claims, that since they forced more secure defaults maybe a year >> ago successful attacks have been reduced significantly - but I have lost >> the source for this information. > > It's probably a FALSE lie, as King Mongkut would say. I'm really tired > of a world which is increasingly designed to protect idiots from their > own idiocy. > >>> Is there a website that deals with the details of this travesty in >>> detail? > > WTF do we need these newfangled "automobiles" for anyway? A horse was > good enough for my pa and it's good enough for me! :-D -- Cheers, Carlos.
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Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-05 00:00 +0100
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Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-03-05 09:39 +0100
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 15:24 +0000
Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022 Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> - 2022-03-05 00:19 +0000
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