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Best reasonable logical consequential discussion in a long time...

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 6:13:29 PM UTC-5, nu...@bid.nes wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 4:46:28 PM UTC-8, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> > nuny@bid.nes wrote:
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Who?

By which is meant, stop doing the silly ^^^^^...^^^ nonsense. It just
don't work, as intended.

>   That's one measure I take to avoid spammers who harvest email addresses. 

Also Thomas, Mark signs his posts most always.

>   Read the "at" symbol as "a" and ignore the dot, then pronounce it-
> it's four words slurred together.

> > >   I've already said what I've got but nobody wants to hear it.
> > 
> > Because, simply put, how you are posting is indicative, and what you are 
> > posting are the words, of an anti-social egotistical sanctimonious asshole.

Sanctimonious before ...youKnow. Beautiful!

>   No, they're the words of someone who's tired of the consequences
> of his country's insane foreign policies. I don't want to be a
> citizen of "Team America: World Police".

Given what the actual Police of USA is, I agree 100%! Cops know best.

>   "Anti-social" must be your private code for "doesn't want to be a
> citizen of 'Team America: World Nanny'".

>   "Egotistical" is not applicable since I'm not bragging myself up.
> 
>   "Sanctimonious", well, pot-kettle-black.
> 
>   "Asshole" means you're one of those who didn't want to hear
> it. Fine with me, stop reading my posts.

I gots to get me a more current dictionary! Help Twitter@#?!

>   See, the main difference between you and me (and between Daesh and
> me) is that I don't want to impose my values on anyone. I also don't
> want anyone to impose their values on me.

>   If you don't like my values, don't read me.

There's your actual real Real REAL problem Mark. Fare Thee Well.

>  I won't take offense no matter how often you offer it. If you
>   choose to be offended by what I write, that's your choice. Do you
>   enjoy being offended?

> > >   Turn *all* so-called refugees away. It's their country going to hell in
> > >   a handbasket, it's *their* duty to fix it, *not* ours.
> > 
> > You are not thinking clearly.
> 
>   Yes, I am. It's THEIR country. It's THEIR duty.

You mispelled company. O wait... were it to Thomas or Mark I meant?

>   If my country was that fucked up because a bunch of extremist
> assholes started killing people who didn't share their belief system
> in an attempt to make everyone else change their beliefs through
> fear, it would be MY duty to (help) fix it. I would not run away.

Politicians should be shot dead like JFK before they speak a letter.

> > Nobody said you were supposed to fix their country.  In fact, I say, keep 
> > your hands off their country:
> 
>   That's what I wrote. Can't you read?

Mark, my pal Mark, people read what they hope to hear.

>   By the way- doesn't this:
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/world/middleeast/emirates-secretly-sends-colombian-mercenaries-to-fight-in-yemen.html?partner=msft_msn
> 
>   ...break some international convention or other?
> 
>   Oh, wait, it's Arabs doing it to other Arabs so it must be all right with you.
> 
> > stop the proliferation of weapons, stop the bombing,
> 

>   No shit? I've been saying that for decades. Besides, unilateral
> action on the part of the U. S. will be pointless since the most
> popular small arm in those hellholes is the AK-47, and guess who's
> bombing the living shit out of Syria these days?

> > allow the situation to cool down,
> 

>   What makes you think "situation cools down" will amount to
> anything other than the crazies with guns enslaving those without
> guns, which is what the refugees are allegedly running away from?
> That is, assuming the would-be refugees don't grow spines and put
> Daesh down themselves...

Daesh is Dash as ISIS is not ISIL, I presume. 
Typing pronunciation matters?! SMS limited words count exceeded?!

> > and let that money
> 

>   What money, the military appropriations that bought the bombs and
> the airplanes that dropped them, and the pilots who flew the planes?
> I've already said we don't really need most of those we have.

>   Can't you read?

Ask BenJacoby@#, people read only to reinforce their preconceived baises.

> > go to the refugee camps on the borders instead: for blankets, food and
> > schools.  
> 
>   We don't need refugee camps on our borders, either.
> 
>   If we did have such, they'd refuse the food (as they've been doing
> to European refugee aid providers) and wouldn't let their women and
> children go to the schools. Nor would the men go, likely. What kind
> of propaganda would you suggest the schools teach, anyway? You know
> that's what they'll call it.
>
> > However, you *are* supposed to give shelter to those who have no place to 
> > live; not least so that they can heal and be put into a condition to 
> > eventually go back and fix their country.
> 
>   Says who? They let it get broken around them in the first place.

I doubt that. Someone showered them with perfectly engineered bombs.
Screw you War Trojan condoms with built in Depends. @#(TM, SM, and BMW).

> > What do you think would those refugees think who come to the Western world 
> > because they seek freedom
> 
>   If they're seeking freedom, they're seeking citizenship, and I'm all for that.
> 
> > if you turned them away, forced them to go to a country where they are not
> > welcome

There's no reason for humans, of the people kind, to migrate. Cities
like Dubai demonstrate we humans can build islands where none
exist. Btw, per many measures, most of Dubain buildings are still
76.38 percent empty. Get the Math?! Working plumbing and all!!

>   There are only three ways to enter the U. S.; cross a border from
> Canada or Mexico (if they weren't welcome there, how did they get
> there?), by boat (across the entire Pacific or Atlantic- they can
> sail instead to wherever you live), and by air (they can fly
> elsewhere, say where you live).

Very childish three ways. Most aliens come to USA via marriages. I
knew a Math Guy who enjoyed fucking his imported wife before showing
up to work. You could see it in his happy smile. Daily daily DAILY.

> > or return into a country where they have to fear for their lives every day?
> 
>   They will think "I should have planned this better".
> 
> >  Would they become more susceptible to the terrorist mindset or less?
> 
>   I don't understand why people keep trotting out that bogus argument. 

Because terror resides in Heil Trump's hair. By every moment.

>   It asserts that refugees will switch from "afraid for their lives"
> to "willing to perform an act which WILL GET THEM KILLED".

>   It's fucking stupid. Please stop helping it propagate.
> 
> >  You have a chance here to make things better and you do not seize it.
> 
>   If they don't want to live there and want to become citizens here, then fine.
> 
>   If they want to live here but not become citizens, and instead
> want to keep their culture *which is incompatible with American
> culture*, no.

There's nothing unversal about any American Culture. 

> >  Coward.
> 
>   IT'S NOT MY THING TO MAKE BETTER. If they don't have the courage
> to stand up to Daesh, and yes, that means risking their lives, then
> who are the cowards?

Daesh or Dash or ISIS or ISIl or isIsIS or Sisi Sissy... would just
stop, put the guns and drones down, and walk away like a movie star...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqMG3VR5PP4
Gordon Lightfoot "If You Could Read My Mind" - Lyrics

> > >   They might even have an easier time of it if we don't "help" them as
> > >   we've been doing. I have a simple two-step plan to eliminate that
> > >   "help".
> > 
> > Human rights of other people do not become void when they become 
> > inconvenient for you.

That's a great sentence Thomas! I just love it. Thank you.

>   There are no such things as "rights". There are needs (not just
> material ones) which must be met in order to live lives worthwhile
> to individuals, and those needs must occasionally be forcibly wrest
> from the grasp of tyrants. To claim rights exist that we are not
> willing to fight for is foolishness.

Earth is not a conglomerate of companies, I mean countries.

>   If by "inconvenience" you refer to the inescapable fact that some
> of the alleged refugees are covert agents of Daesh, then yes, that's
> why I have a problem with blindly taking so-called refugees in.

More illegal humans, walk into USA than a small number of bombed
Syrians. Perhaps them Syrians should post about themselves on a Math
Website and get showered, I mean marriaged, into USA?! If you've seen
one, you've seen them all. No matter how young and beautiful.

>   Refugees moving from point A to point B does NOTHING to change
> things in point A for the better. Never has, never will.

No doubt Mark.

>   I'm what you might call a Fundamentalist Buddhist. The Buddha
> taught that suffering has causes and is avoidable by avoiding the
> causes, and that resisting tyrants is preferable to suffering their
> whims. In other words, fight back.(1)

>   If others choose not to take direct measures to prevent their own
> suffering, that's *their* choice.

> >  You wish to share your values, convince others that they are good and should
> > be lived by?

The good is free. What's to share, it's like the dark or night.

>   No, I don't. I live my life the way *I* think it ought to be
> lived, according to *my* values. If others find that good and want
> to do the same, fine with me. If not, also fine with me because
> their lives are not mine to live. If they want to make me change to
> their values, they will have inconveniences because my life is not
> theirs to live.

Mark, you care too much for others' live to mean that. Accept it.

> > And will you *please* keep politics outside?
> 
>   Do you actually read this group? You should have figured out that
> this was going to be a political thread before finishing HVAC's
> first line. If you didn't want to participate, why are you? If you
> don't like posts about politics in sci.physics, why did you post
> one?

Too deep. Just ignore votes pusher Heil HVAC. No vote counts.

>   Why do you expect *me* to follow rules that *you* set down but
> won't follow *yourself*?

> >  This newsgroup is about *physics*.

Physics is a four letter word heard here as shit. Thomas, my
PointedEars friend, you must outplay them in their imaginary word
games. As theyTheCEOs in WTC#4, imagine what goes on in WTC#1, tiny
corporate room business meetings will say: If it ain't writ, it never
happened.

> (1) Cause and effect in politics.
> 
>   Mark L. Fergerson

Thomas, Mark is simply asking you to wake the fuck up (WTFU@#).

-- Mahipal "IPMM..."

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