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| Subject | Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? |
| Message-ID | <980c9d86948045be789fb9c614a258c2@dizum.com> (permalink) |
| Date | 2025-06-22 01:00 +0200 |
| Newsgroups | ger.ct |
| Organization | dizum.com - The Internet Problem Provider |
Ich schrieb: >Dietz Proepper meinte: >>Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote: >>> Dietz Proepper schrieb: >>> >>> >> Die 3er-Ketten sind ja statistisch gesehen auch ein Witz. Deshalb >>> >> sollte man mehr ... >>> > >>> >Ja. Sicher. Tätschel. Und damit Du nicht wieder "Nebelkerzen" >>> >behauptest geschätzter Nomen Scio, lies' doch einfach mal allen >>> >Anwesenden https://support.torproject.org/misc/misc-11/ laut vor. >>> >Danke. >>> >>> | Also, using paths longer than 3 could harm anonymity, first because >>> | it makes denial of security attacks easier, and second because it >>> | could act as an identifier if only a small number of users have the >>> | same path length as you. >>> >>> Alles bekannt. >> >>Welchen Nutzen erhoffst Du Dir aus längeren Pfaden? >> >>> Zunächst einmal, was versteht man unter 'denial of security >>> attacks'??? >> >>Lies' und versteh' die Doku hinter dem Link. > >Auch für dieses Papier gelten meine untenstehenden Ausführungen. Oder >beantwortet es die Kernfrage nach der optimalen Länge der Proxy-Kette >unter Abwägung des Risikos einer Deanonymisierung durch die Kooperation >aller Knoten einer Kette gegenüber dort abgehandelter gezielter DoS- >Attacken, ermöglicht durch eine grosse Mange maligner Proxies im Netz, mit >exakt der Zahl '3'? Das würde mich schon sehr wundern. Verstehst du? > >> >>> Und dann bleibt absolut unklar, wie die Pfadlänge, die vielleicht am >>> Eingangsknoten aus den Übertragungspattern noch irgendwie erahnt >>> werden könnte, auch am Exit festgestellt werden soll, um hier >>> Zuordnungen zu ermöglichen. Das Protokoll gibt diese Daten nämlich >>> nicht preis. Und die Heterogenität des Netzes mit mehr oder weniger >>> performanten Tor-Servern und damit Routings bei ständig wechselnder >>> Netzwerkbelastung ist dabei auch gewaltig im Weg. Und dann wäre da >>> noch die Möglichkeit einer sehr restriktiven Auswahl an dem Client >>> erlaubten Torknoten, die vergleichbar längerer Ketten die Performance >>> generell negativ beeinflussen kann. Sehr zweifelhaft, dass was da im >>> Labor vielleicht möglich erscheint realistische Angriffsvektoren >>> sind. Aber vielleicht kannst du mir das ja mal im Detail erklären. Kurz noch eines: Den Unsinn mit den fixen Entry Guard Nodes haben die Tor-Jungs doch notgedrungen auch nur aufgrund der ungenügenden Kettenlänge aufgebracht. Gerät man dabei aber an einen unter gegnerischer Kontrolle stehenden Proxy, der auf dieser Konstanz aufbauen kann, ist der Ofen umso schneller aus. Da braucht man sich um andere höchst theoretische Angriffsvektoren dann keine Sorgen mehr machen. - Reinstes Schlangenöl! Aus dem verlinkten Papier 'Denial of Service or Denial of Security?' <http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en//pubs/archive/33413.pdf>: 2.1.2 Guard Nodes The selective DoS attack is particularly troubling due to the predecessor attack [28]. As users pick random paths in a Tor network, one of these paths will be compromised with high probability after O((1 - t)2 ln n) path constructions, where n is the total number of nodes in the network. With a selective DoS attack, the attack will function much faster. To resist the predecessor attack, Tor has introduced a defense where each user picks a small fixed set of guard nodes that are always used as the first node in a tunnel [29]. Users who pick honest guard nodes will be immune to the predecessor attack. Guard nodes similarly help defend against selective DoS; users with honest guards may suffer in terms of reliability but their anonymity will never be compromised. However, in another way, guard nodes actually make the selective DoS attack more powerful, since the probability that a single successful tunnel will be compromised is actually higher using guards. For example, it is easy to see that with a single guard node, (1 - t) of all tunnels will be compromised; our preliminary results show that using 3 guard nodes, as in the current Tor implementation, also results in a higher number of compromised tunnels. We leave a full investigation of guard nodes to future work, but we note that fixing both the first and last node, as studied by Wright et al. [29], is more likely to be an effective defense to selective DoS in Tor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Schau dir dabei auch einmal die Graphen an, die am Beispiel der Remailer sehr anschaulich zeigen, wie nur wenige Proxies mehr in der Kette das Kompromittierrisiko massiv mindern. Die Zuverlässigkeit der Server liegt bei Mixmaster und YAMN übrigens zumeist höher als 95%. Das Festhalten an Tor's 3er-Kette ist demgegenüber ein antiquiertes Unikum! Die sollten eigentlich längst selbst soviel sein, nach nun fast 2 Jahrzehnten (!) Laufzeit ihr System an die inzwischen enorm gestiegene Rechner- und Netzwerkperformance anzupassen.
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EU: public DNS resolvers? Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-12 11:50 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-12 11:57 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? "DER GELAeUTERTE" <dergelaeuterte@web.de> - 2025-06-13 03:45 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-13 10:04 +0200
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Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-13 17:53 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Ulrich D i e z <ud.usenetcorrespondence@web.de> - 2025-06-13 10:39 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-13 11:13 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-13 15:23 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Bernd Ohm <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-12 11:58 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Gunter Kühne <kuehne-g@freenet.de> - 2025-06-12 12:07 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-12 11:11 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? gunter-kuehne <gunter-kuehne@mail.de> - 2025-06-12 12:15 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-12 16:15 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2025-06-12 16:16 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-06-12 17:07 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2025-06-12 17:09 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-12 17:13 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-06-12 17:39 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-13 02:33 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2025-06-13 08:43 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Heiko Rost <heiko.rost@gmx.de> - 2025-06-13 11:25 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2025-06-13 11:30 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-13 10:37 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-13 11:48 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2025-06-13 11:49 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-13 12:27 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-13 12:37 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Bernd Ohm <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-14 10:17 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-14 08:28 +0000
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Bernd Ohm <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-14 10:55 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2025-06-14 13:32 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-14 10:54 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Bernd Ohm <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-14 10:57 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-13 11:41 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-13 13:10 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Gunter Kühne <kuehne-g@freenet.de> - 2025-06-13 14:10 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Heiko Rost <heiko.rost@gmx.de> - 2025-06-13 13:26 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2025-06-13 13:50 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Heiko Rost <heiko.rost@gmx.de> - 2025-06-13 15:29 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-13 15:23 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-13 17:56 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-13 17:01 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-13 18:10 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-13 17:15 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-13 18:18 +0200
Tutorials (was:Re: EU: public DNS resolvers?) Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-13 16:26 +0200
Re: Tutorials Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2025-06-13 16:45 +0200
Re: Tutorials Martin Ebert <mx300@gmx.net> - 2025-06-13 22:53 +0200
Re: Tutorials Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2025-06-14 10:16 +0200
Re: Tutorials Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-14 13:48 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-13 17:04 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Bernd Ohm <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-13 09:17 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-13 10:24 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Gunter Kühne <kuehne-g@freenet.de> - 2025-06-12 17:19 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-12 16:58 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-13 09:46 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-06-13 07:48 +0000
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-13 09:31 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-13 17:57 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-13 09:29 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-13 17:59 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-13 17:12 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-13 18:26 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-13 17:52 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-13 19:14 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-13 19:12 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-13 20:35 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-13 21:12 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2025-06-13 15:27 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Friedrich Karl Siebert <f.k.siebert@online.de> - 2025-06-13 15:48 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Gunter Kühne <kuehne-g@freenet.de> - 2025-06-13 19:50 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2025-06-13 21:24 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-13 21:15 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2025-06-13 22:56 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2025-06-14 16:07 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2025-06-14 16:16 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-14 17:18 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2025-06-14 17:22 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-15 11:49 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-15 12:03 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-15 19:53 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-16 01:22 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-16 08:20 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-16 09:30 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-16 11:52 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-16 11:26 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-16 12:54 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-16 15:10 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-16 17:51 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-18 16:39 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-18 18:18 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-19 02:15 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-19 09:36 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-19 10:16 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-19 11:25 +0000
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-06-19 13:29 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-19 13:29 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-19 22:40 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Ulrich D i e z <ud.usenetcorrespondence@web.de> - 2025-06-19 13:38 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-19 13:41 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-16 11:49 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-16 11:32 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-16 13:16 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-20 17:44 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-20 18:02 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-21 08:05 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-20 18:17 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-21 08:03 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-16 13:58 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-16 22:17 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-17 14:25 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-17 16:27 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-18 21:10 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2025-06-18 21:47 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-20 14:23 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-20 14:36 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-20 19:09 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-20 20:32 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-20 20:12 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-20 21:48 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2025-06-20 22:46 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-20 23:56 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2025-06-21 10:17 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-06-21 09:47 +0000
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2025-06-21 12:10 +0200
Enigma, mal wieder (was:Re: EU: public DNS resolvers?) Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-21 15:22 +0200
Re: Enigma, mal wieder "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-21 15:54 +0200
Re: Enigma, mal wieder Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-21 16:15 +0200
Re: Enigma, mal wieder Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2025-06-21 16:55 +0200
Re: Enigma, mal wieder Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2025-06-21 17:00 +0200
Re: Enigma, mal wieder "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-21 17:52 +0200
Re: Enigma, mal wieder Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-21 20:39 +0200
Re: Enigma, mal wieder Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-21 20:57 +0200
Re: Enigma, mal wieder Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-06-22 06:22 +0000
Re: Enigma, mal wieder Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-22 10:18 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-21 08:13 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-21 11:18 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-21 14:51 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-21 19:18 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-20 20:17 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-20 18:23 +0000
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-20 19:31 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-06-20 19:01 +0000
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-20 21:02 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-20 20:17 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-20 21:41 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-21 08:20 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-21 15:36 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-20 20:48 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2025-06-20 21:00 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-20 21:12 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2025-06-20 21:29 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-20 21:52 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2025-06-21 08:23 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Gunter Kühne <kuehne-g@freenet.de> - 2025-06-21 18:50 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2025-06-21 18:56 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Gunter Kühne <kuehne-g@freenet.de> - 2025-06-21 19:09 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-21 08:22 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Ulrich D i e z <ud.usenetcorrespondence@web.de> - 2025-06-19 14:10 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-21 10:15 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-21 14:25 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-21 15:05 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-21 20:49 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-21 23:48 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-22 07:21 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-22 05:36 +0000
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-22 10:33 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-22 10:32 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-22 13:28 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-22 23:39 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-23 01:36 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-23 08:30 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-23 15:14 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-23 23:18 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-24 14:39 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-22 01:00 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-12 12:37 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Rick Szabo <rickszabo@web.de> - 2025-06-12 21:55 +0000
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-13 15:46 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-13 15:29 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2025-06-14 18:32 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-15 13:59 +0200
Nachschlag (was:Re: EU: public DNS resolvers?) Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-15 14:03 +0200
Re: Nachschlag Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2025-06-15 16:33 +0200
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