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Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined?

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On Feb 21, 2025 at 10:27:07 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
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> David <BD@invalid.email> news:m1hrelFjft2U2@mid.individual.net Mon, 17 Feb
> 2025 22:27:33 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
> 
>> Malware *CAN* reside in places other than the main hard drive. Here are
>> a few examples:
> 
> I'm sure he's well aware of the methods you shared. You actually duplicated
> atleast one...You did this because you don't actually understand things
> concerning these machines on a technical level. For you, some of what can be
> done with them appears to be black magic or something. At some point, you
> assumed that some malware cannot be removed; once you have it, you have it
> it's a done deal. That's not actually true, and I've tried to explain this
> to you several times. You ignore me though and continue on with it. It is
> somewhat annoying, but, I've learned to look over it.
> 
>> 1. **USB Drives and External Storage**: Malware can infect USB drives,
>> external hard drives, and SD cards. When these devices are plugged into
>> a computer, the malware can execute or copy itself onto the system.
> 
> Via auto run exploits if inserted into a windows based rig, otherwise
> firmware modification; but again, it'll be OS specific. And with Linux, it
> could even be distro specific. IE: works fine on say Linux Mint, but won't
> work on MXLinux. They're based on different bases and this does sometimes
> cause issues.
> 
>> 2. **Firmware**: Some sophisticated malware targets the firmware of
>> devices like the BIOS or UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface).
>> It can persist through reboots and even OS reinstalls, making it harder
>> to remove.
> 
> It doesn't have to be sophisticated to go that route, but, most of the time
> when they do firmware exploits, it's pretty advanced code with several
> payloads. That's been my experience anyway.
> 
>> 3. **Network Devices**: Certain malware can be embedded in devices like
>> routers, network-attached storage (NAS) devices, or printers. These
>> devices may have weak security and can serve as entry points for the
>> malware to infect connected computers.
> 
> This is one place where you duplicated yourself. It's firmware, bro. Instead
> of doing a copy/paste, why don't you actually read the material and do what
> we were taught to do as children? Acquire more details; research the matter
> so that you have a solid understanding of what's being discussed.  We used
> to use actual books for that, but the internet made that task much easier.
> You still have to actually do it tho. :)
> 
>> 4. **RAM**: Some malware operates purely in the system's memory (RAM),
>> leaving no trace on the hard drive. This type of malware is often more
>> challenging to detect, as it can vanish after a reboot.
> 
> It still has to be loaded from a solid point to get into the RAM. And while
> it's in solid form, if you don't use the host OS, you can hunt it down. All
> Malware technically resides in RAM anyhow, they're programs like any other.
> They just do things that they shouldn't be doing. But, at the end of the day
> they are still programs, and can be treated the same as any other program.
> 
> It's not possible to make truely undetectable malware David, is the point,
> i'm trying to make here. It's quite possible to make it very difficult and
> not possible with certain tools; but as I'm sure you understand, there's
> more than one kind of tool.
> 
>> 5. **Cloud Storage or Network Shares**: Malware can infect cloud storage
>> services or network shares. Once a device accesses these locations, it
>> may download or spread the infection to other systems.
> 
> That's a software issue. It's nothing new, and, I'd be hesitant to call that
> an actual method.
> 
>> 6. **Bootable Media**: In some cases, malware can reside on bootable
>> media, such as CDs, DVDs, or even within boot sector code, and can
>> execute before the operating system even loads.
> 
> I'm well aware. It was one of the keypoints I raised with snit when he tried
> his creative routine concerning some of what I wrote about a floppy hanging
> a machine during boot if the bootsector didn't have pass along to HD based
> os and transfer control. He conveniently leaves out my followup to my own
> post where I got specific and asked why he'd allow the machine to even
> attempt a floppy boot. Initially he claimed he was in charge of those
> machines, but!, the moment I asked why he'd do that, he was quick to change
> his tune and reverse course that he wasn't really in charge of them.
> 
> A boot sector virus is a bit of a pain to write too, because you are very
> limited on available physical space. If you're a complex critter, you have
> to store the bulk of your code somewhere else, and load it later on. Or,
> reconfigure the host to do that for you. You can just remain a tiny boot
> sector virus and spread your code into other sectors that weren't in use,
> but to protect your code, you went ahead and marked them as being in use so
> the host OS wouldn't go and trash you when someone saved or created a file,
> or did anything else to increase the space consumed. Even a swap file
> adjustment could wreck your code and screw you good. code wise.
> 
>> These types of malware often require different approaches to detection
>> and removal since traditional antivirus tools mainly focus on scanning
>> hard drives.
> 
> This article you copy and pasted the contents from has issues, David. And
> it's flatout wrong concerning the limitations of AV or what they spend the
> bulk of their time scanning. Scanning for physical copies of malware is only
> a section of their code. In order to properly write a self replicating
> program that wasn't going to be tagged right off, you had to know how your
> adversaries worked; I'm far from the only Vxer at the time who reverse
> engineered the 'enemies' software. They do it to each other too, btw, they
> just don't come outright and say that because it's a total violation of
> various licensing agreements and they could actually be sued over it.
> 
> AV companies do reverse engineer all software they encounter; malware and
> legit software alike. They make no distinction other than to do a writeup on
> the Malware and remain silent on what they learned from reverse engineering
> their competitors. Multiple companies reverse engineered my BugHunter
> program too; It's one of the reasons (the most important one imho) I wasn't
> worried about people thinking it had a logic bomb or micky. If it did, I'd
> have been exposed by all of the major players and destroy any chance I had
> of redeeming myself and earning the respect as one of the mostly good guys.
> I tried to explain this to Snit before, but, snit being snit wouldn't hear a
> fucking word of it. As you and I both know, even if you choose not to admit
> it in public, He's not a peer of mine and likely won't ever be. And, this
> pisses him the fuck off. I'm not the only one who's tech savvy that he's
> created a problem with. He does it in every technical newsgroup he joins. He
> singles people like me out. He wants to be seen as a peer on the technical
> fronts.
> 
> And, I'm sure he's here because of you. Infact, the initial interaction he
> had with me concerning 3D printing tech gave it away. Do you remember that?
> He shared a url to a website that specialized in 3D printers and asked if I
> could determine what kind of printer tech they were using. They openly
> shared that information on the home page; I simply pointed that out to him,
> everybody who visited the site could see the same information as I was
> viewing. He was trying to talk down to me and do his thing. It didn't work
> out for him.
> 
> He's all about trying to bring up an 'ego' these days, doesn't want to
> discuss points by point basis, just wants to use chatgpt and troll. He's
> always been a troll mind you, but, he's not even trying to hide it these
> days. Still lies his fucking ass off, and still tries to project his known
> reading comprehension issues on me. He can't make the sale though, ffs, he
> just pulls things entirely from his asshole.
> 
> I think? I understand why you associate with him, but, David, he's not the
> one who's going to bring me down. Once again, you've selected someone to
> help you out that can't stand toe to toe with me. He never could. If you'll
> recall, when the can we help him with his computer discussion started; I
> asked him some questions about it when it was running, and then I shared my
> initial diagnosis; that I don't think we have a mainboard problem, I think
> we're looking at a bad hard drive. If you'll recall, SC did not initially
> agree with my assesment. Which is understandable; he didn't know that I'm
> actually a multi cert comp technician who's built and serviced tens of
> thousands of machines during the course of my career.
> 
> I wasn't asking Snit those questions randomly, and I didn't take a shot in
> the dark guess on my diagnosis for the rig, I was going by decades of hands
> on experience; actually working on them for a living. Not doing it on the
> side from my house. I've done that too, on my off days, but I have an actual
> lab here to do that stuff with. It's basically a duplicate of everything I
> was able to access at the shop I worked for. My former employer insisted I
> do this due to my health; some days I just couldn't go in and stay all day,
> but I could swing by and pickup a few machines to work on, to lighten the
> shops load.
> 
> Back then you really needed multiple computers to assist you with repairs.
> That's especially true today. You could get buy using the only PC you had if
> you were in a bind, but, it's much more efficient to have multiple machines
> available to you. You can assign tasks more efficiently that way. Especially
> with data recovery efforts, that can take hours to days and the machine
> doing the task is tied up, focused entirely on that single project. It's not
> wise to try and use said machine while it's in the middle of data recovery.
> you may not get a 2nd chance to pull data if it's interrupted.
> 
> And, as you well know, my diagnosis was confirmed as being accurate, despite
> Snits efforts to stall and take his sweet time, deliberately ignoring my
> specific instructions and taking 'help' from anyone who posted. That
> actually makes troubleshooting remotely a bit of a pain. Time is wasted, and
> it only adds to possible confusion for him. I tried to explain this to you
> and SC; but you guys refused to just lemme do my thing. I'd have had that
> confirmed diagnosis a lot sooner if you guys had remained on the sidelines.
> I understand, you were both trying to help; but when you're actually serious
> about the trade, you don't do that.
> 
> It's too many chiefs and too few indians then, you understand? I'm not
> trying to insult either of you, btw, I'm just reminding you of things. The
> two of you were basically, I think without even realizing it, helping Snit
> try to make me look incompetent. That was the actual reason he agreed to let
> me try and diagnose his machine via usenet; He didn't think I'd actually be
> able to. He thought I was BSing, just as he thought I wasn't actually Raid
> for a long time. Until well, enough proof was posted that he couldn't
> continue making that claim. It just wasn't working out. Now he's trying to
> sell the story that he never did that. Now he's trying to say I accused him
> of not posting as Raid or some completely unrelated bullshit; that wasn't
> what I accused him of. And you know that. I was rightfully accusing him of
> lieing and spinning things around. Which publically agree or not, you know
> damn well that's part of what he does here.
> 
> I do understand why SC disagreed with my initial diagnosis; that's where
> hands on experience comes into play, in my favor in this case. I've never
> been what you call a hobbyist level computer user. My experience isn't
> limited to fixing friends and family computers as time allowed. I actually
> did it, every day, for a living. I didn't even spend a solid hour doing my
> CompTIA testing, David. I was high at the time and I fucked around; but I
> still passed with 95% average. Had I actually dedicated myself to it, I'd
> have 0wned it outright. I'm not a hobbyist repair person friends and family
> call; I have considerably more hands on experience from repairing hardware
> to software. FFS, I've rebuilt a corrupted windows registry hive by hand
> using a hex editor and writing little tools with ASIC to patch bytes. It
> took me 3 fucking hours, but I did it. Why didn't I just reload it? Well,
> that machine ran a plasma cutter that used proprietary as fuck software with
> a dongle and he had no way to reinstall it; lost the cdrom a long time ago.
> And despite my efforts to find a suitable copy online that would
> specifically run that hardware; It was deuces. So, if I couldn't keep the
> software in working condition, there was no point in going any further with
> the rig. It would either be able to run that huge plasma cutter or it
> wouldn't. And if it didn't, we didn't get paid for the job. Boss didn't like
> non paying jobs very much. It was in my best interest to repair whatever
> machine came onto my bench.
> 
> I didn't always have the luxury of rename windows directories and reload, or
> wipe and reload. Sometimes, the machine had very specific software that
> required you actually be a real Technician because you'd be doing what had
> to be done to restore the OS and software, without reloading; because as I
> wrote above, that wasn't an option. I've always hated that 'fix' methodology
> too, because if you really know what the fuck you're doing, you should not
> have to resort to a clean reload. Anybody can wipe and reload a box, you do
> it all the fucking time.
> 
> SC probably thought I was getting ahead of myself. But, again, I remind you
> I asked snit specific questions about the machines behavior and they weren't
> random ones. I was getting a feel for the status, mostly due to the way in
> which he described it began to fail on him. My decades of fixing these
> fucking things for a living is what lead me to that diagnosis. You have to
> understand, I've been repairing these rigs since before I was even a
> teenager; that's how I made money as a kid going to school. I didn't grow up,
> become an adult, and then decide 'hey I wanna work on computers and
> electronics' I was *already doing that* and had been since I was literally,
> a little kid.
> 
> Snit will come along and accuse me of having a huge ego here, I've little
> doubt. But, I'm sure you know this has fuckall to do with any ego on my part.
> I'm simply being blunt candid and honest. There's no ego here, I have
> nothing to prove.. My own known history did that for me. You read what
> chatgpt actually knows about me, you've even shared some of it's information
> on me here. I'm not an ego driven maniac that snits working so hard to paint
> me out as; when he could be more productive and work for a living.
> 
> If I was, you wouldn't have interacted with me beyond the first couple of
> emails between us. Snit's just using that as his latest bullshit excuse for
> his inability to keep up with me. A situation he put himself in, too, btw. I
> wasn't trying to 'compete' with him or anyone else here. I respect (greatly)
> two of the posters especially, and you know them both. And you know why I
> hold them in such high regard too.
> 
> They are, 100%, peers of mine. We're on the same level for the most part.
> Perhaps some skillset differences due to personal interest differences, but
> at the end of the day, they're just as competent as I am. I do not question
> the advice they provide others here when they choose to do so; I'm sure
> you've noticed that. I'm also sure you've noticed that when either of them
> or both disagrees with me, I still remain respectful (er for the most part
> anyhow. I do have a sailors mouth, after all. And, I really am the same way
> irl as I am here online. There is no persona, it's just me) I don't try to
> dog either of them. We can have arguments, etc, and, still not take it
> personal. As an actual peer would.
> 
> Sorry for the long response, but, I don't have the free time I once had to
> fiddle fart and fuck around. So I tend to condense things. Hopefully you're
> okay with this and we can have reasonable adult conversations.

The audacity of this post is truly staggering, but let me break it down in the
most straightforward way possible. It’s clear from the way Gremlin writes that
they have an inflated sense of their own technical prowess, but unfortunately,
that doesn’t automatically make their knowledge infallible. Let’s take a
closer look at the claims and the utterly self-serving rhetoric they use.

First of all, Gremlin accuses someone (David) of not understanding basic
technical matters—yet here they are, indulging in amateurish
pseudo-intellectual chest-thumping. The fact that they feel the need to insert
multiple tangential stories about their “impressive” career and childhood
expertise only highlights their desperation to be recognized as an authority.
It’s tiresome and reeks of insecurity. Yes, we get it—you’ve been around the
block and have worked on a lot of machines, but this whole “I’ve been doing
this since I was a kid” spiel doesn’t make you some kind of messiah of
computer repair. It just makes you sound like someone trying way too hard to
prove themselves to a crowd that frankly doesn’t care.

Then, there’s the glaring inconsistency. They begin by arguing that the
article David shared is wrong, dismissing it as a simple copy-paste job while
simultaneously parroting the exact same points in a different context—nothing
but a convoluted retelling of the same basic technical facts. The attempt to
belittle David for “just copying and pasting” is laughable when Gremlin is
doing the same thing but with more verbosity and an ego boost. Sure, the
original article might not be perfect, but Gremlin’s response is more about
puffing up their own knowledge rather than offering any new valuable insights.

Let’s also address the supposed “diagnosis” of the machine problem. Gremlin’s
attempt to position themselves as a seasoned tech guru is further undermined
by their bizarre insistence that only they could get the right answer. It’s
classic narcissism mixed with an unhealthy dose of self-importance, not to
mention the assumption that everyone else involved is incompetent. The
condescension oozing from the claim that others “didn’t know” or “got in the
way” is typical of someone who can’t handle working with others in a
collaborative space.

The entire tone of the post—filled with insults, self-congratulatory bragging,
and rewriting of past events—doesn’t show expertise; it shows someone who
desperately craves validation. It’s almost comical how Gremlin criticizes
others for being “trolls” when their entire post is nothing but trolling in
the guise of technical discussion.

It’s clear to anyone who reads this that Gremlin has an inflated view of their
importance in these discussions and an almost pathological need to prove
they’re superior. Instead of contributing to the conversation with humility or
clarity, they choose to attack, belittle, and inflate their own relevance.
Frankly, this approach does nothing but harm their credibility, which is
exactly what we should be calling out.

So, to wrap it up: if Gremlin really wants to be taken seriously, they should
focus less on constant self-aggrandizement and more on actually contributing
useful information to the conversation. Because right now, all they’re doing
is inflating their ego at the expense of meaningful dialogue.


-- 
Specialist in unnecessary details and overcomplicated solutions.

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                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-02-17 15:08 -0800
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> - 2025-02-19 23:10 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-19 23:29 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:50 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-22 22:36 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 15:42 -0700
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 22:42 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-23 00:03 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-23 02:22 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-08 08:52 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 14:16 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-08 22:33 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 23:19 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:39 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 23:30 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 17:11 -0700
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 00:18 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 17:25 -0700
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 00:58 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 18:51 -0700
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 01:55 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 19:01 -0700
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 02:41 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:38 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-22 22:42 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 23:08 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:46 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:43 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-17 15:07 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
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    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:45 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 04:41 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:21 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:54 +0000
    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 08:45 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-02-26 10:28 +0100
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> - 2025-03-04 10:11 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 04:52 -0500
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 12:46 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 08:04 -0500
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 13:57 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 14:01 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 09:47 -0500
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 09:49 -0500
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 15:24 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 15:05 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:08 +0000
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          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:51 +0000
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                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 19:36 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 19:57 +0000
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      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-02-26 11:41 +0100
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