Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined?

From	David <David@home.today>
Newsgroups	alt.computer.workshop, uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject	Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined?
Date	2025-02-22 22:42 +0000
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On 22/02/2025 05:27, Gremlin wrote:
> David <BD@invalid.email> news:m1hrelFjft2U2@mid.individual.net Mon, 17 Feb
> 2025 22:27:33 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
> 
>> Malware *CAN* reside in places other than the main hard drive. Here are
>> a few examples:
> 
> I'm sure he's well aware of the methods you shared. You actually duplicated
> atleast one...You did this because you don't actually understand things
> concerning these machines on a technical level. For you, some of what can be
> done with them appears to be black magic or something. At some point, you
> assumed that some malware cannot be removed; once you have it, you have it
> it's a done deal. That's not actually true, and I've tried to explain this
> to you several times. You ignore me though and continue on with it. It is
> somewhat annoying, but, I've learned to look over it.
> 
>> 1. **USB Drives and External Storage**: Malware can infect USB drives,
>> external hard drives, and SD cards. When these devices are plugged into
>> a computer, the malware can execute or copy itself onto the system.
> 
> Via auto run exploits if inserted into a windows based rig, otherwise
> firmware modification; but again, it'll be OS specific. And with Linux, it
> could even be distro specific. IE: works fine on say Linux Mint, but won't
> work on MXLinux. They're based on different bases and this does sometimes
> cause issues.
> 
>> 2. **Firmware**: Some sophisticated malware targets the firmware of
>> devices like the BIOS or UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface).
>> It can persist through reboots and even OS reinstalls, making it harder
>> to remove.
> 
> It doesn't have to be sophisticated to go that route, but, most of the time
> when they do firmware exploits, it's pretty advanced code with several
> payloads. That's been my experience anyway.
> 
>> 3. **Network Devices**: Certain malware can be embedded in devices like
>> routers, network-attached storage (NAS) devices, or printers. These
>> devices may have weak security and can serve as entry points for the
>> malware to infect connected computers.
> 
> This is one place where you duplicated yourself. It's firmware, bro. Instead
> of doing a copy/paste, why don't you actually read the material and do what
> we were taught to do as children? Acquire more details; research the matter
> so that you have a solid understanding of what's being discussed.  We used
> to use actual books for that, but the internet made that task much easier.
> You still have to actually do it tho. :)
> 
>> 4. **RAM**: Some malware operates purely in the system's memory (RAM),
>> leaving no trace on the hard drive. This type of malware is often more
>> challenging to detect, as it can vanish after a reboot.
> 
> It still has to be loaded from a solid point to get into the RAM. And while
> it's in solid form, if you don't use the host OS, you can hunt it down. All
> Malware technically resides in RAM anyhow, they're programs like any other.
> They just do things that they shouldn't be doing. But, at the end of the day
> they are still programs, and can be treated the same as any other program.
> 
> It's not possible to make truely undetectable malware David, is the point,
> i'm trying to make here. It's quite possible to make it very difficult and
> not possible with certain tools; but as I'm sure you understand, there's
> more than one kind of tool.
> 
>> 5. **Cloud Storage or Network Shares**: Malware can infect cloud storage
>> services or network shares. Once a device accesses these locations, it
>> may download or spread the infection to other systems.
> 
> That's a software issue. It's nothing new, and, I'd be hesitant to call that
> an actual method.
> 
>> 6. **Bootable Media**: In some cases, malware can reside on bootable
>> media, such as CDs, DVDs, or even within boot sector code, and can
>> execute before the operating system even loads.
> 
> I'm well aware. It was one of the keypoints I raised with snit when he tried
> his creative routine concerning some of what I wrote about a floppy hanging
> a machine during boot if the bootsector didn't have pass along to HD based
> os and transfer control. He conveniently leaves out my followup to my own
> post where I got specific and asked why he'd allow the machine to even
> attempt a floppy boot. Initially he claimed he was in charge of those
> machines, but!, the moment I asked why he'd do that, he was quick to change
> his tune and reverse course that he wasn't really in charge of them.
> 
> A boot sector virus is a bit of a pain to write too, because you are very
> limited on available physical space. If you're a complex critter, you have
> to store the bulk of your code somewhere else, and load it later on. Or,
> reconfigure the host to do that for you. You can just remain a tiny boot
> sector virus and spread your code into other sectors that weren't in use,
> but to protect your code, you went ahead and marked them as being in use so
> the host OS wouldn't go and trash you when someone saved or created a file,
> or did anything else to increase the space consumed. Even a swap file
> adjustment could wreck your code and screw you good. code wise.
> 
>> These types of malware often require different approaches to detection
>> and removal since traditional antivirus tools mainly focus on scanning
>> hard drives.
> 
> This article you copy and pasted the contents from has issues, David. And
> it's flatout wrong concerning the limitations of AV or what they spend the
> bulk of their time scanning. Scanning for physical copies of malware is only
> a section of their code. In order to properly write a self replicating
> program that wasn't going to be tagged right off, you had to know how your
> adversaries worked; I'm far from the only Vxer at the time who reverse
> engineered the 'enemies' software. They do it to each other too, btw, they
> just don't come outright and say that because it's a total violation of
> various licensing agreements and they could actually be sued over it.
> 
> AV companies do reverse engineer all software they encounter; malware and
> legit software alike. They make no distinction other than to do a writeup on
> the Malware and remain silent on what they learned from reverse engineering
> their competitors. Multiple companies reverse engineered my BugHunter
> program too; It's one of the reasons (the most important one imho) I wasn't
> worried about people thinking it had a logic bomb or micky. If it did, I'd
> have been exposed by all of the major players and destroy any chance I had
> of redeeming myself and earning the respect as one of the mostly good guys.
> I tried to explain this to Snit before, but, snit being snit wouldn't hear a
> fucking word of it. As you and I both know, even if you choose not to admit
> it in public, He's not a peer of mine and likely won't ever be. And, this
> pisses him the fuck off. I'm not the only one who's tech savvy that he's
> created a problem with. He does it in every technical newsgroup he joins. He
> singles people like me out. He wants to be seen as a peer on the technical
> fronts.
> 
> And, I'm sure he's here because of you. Infact, the initial interaction he
> had with me concerning 3D printing tech gave it away. Do you remember that?
> He shared a url to a website that specialized in 3D printers and asked if I
> could determine what kind of printer tech they were using. They openly
> shared that information on the home page; I simply pointed that out to him,
> everybody who visited the site could see the same information as I was
> viewing. He was trying to talk down to me and do his thing. It didn't work
> out for him.
> 
> He's all about trying to bring up an 'ego' these days, doesn't want to
> discuss points by point basis, just wants to use chatgpt and troll. He's
> always been a troll mind you, but, he's not even trying to hide it these
> days. Still lies his fucking ass off, and still tries to project his known
> reading comprehension issues on me. He can't make the sale though, ffs, he
> just pulls things entirely from his asshole.
> 
> I think? I understand why you associate with him, but, David, he's not the
> one who's going to bring me down. Once again, you've selected someone to
> help you out that can't stand toe to toe with me. He never could. If you'll
> recall, when the can we help him with his computer discussion started; I
> asked him some questions about it when it was running, and then I shared my
> initial diagnosis; that I don't think we have a mainboard problem, I think
> we're looking at a bad hard drive. If you'll recall, SC did not initially
> agree with my assesment. Which is understandable; he didn't know that I'm
> actually a multi cert comp technician who's built and serviced tens of
> thousands of machines during the course of my career.
> 
> I wasn't asking Snit those questions randomly, and I didn't take a shot in
> the dark guess on my diagnosis for the rig, I was going by decades of hands
> on experience; actually working on them for a living. Not doing it on the
> side from my house. I've done that too, on my off days, but I have an actual
> lab here to do that stuff with. It's basically a duplicate of everything I
> was able to access at the shop I worked for. My former employer insisted I
> do this due to my health; some days I just couldn't go in and stay all day,
> but I could swing by and pickup a few machines to work on, to lighten the
> shops load.
> 
> Back then you really needed multiple computers to assist you with repairs.
> That's especially true today. You could get buy using the only PC you had if
> you were in a bind, but, it's much more efficient to have multiple machines
> available to you. You can assign tasks more efficiently that way. Especially
> with data recovery efforts, that can take hours to days and the machine
> doing the task is tied up, focused entirely on that single project. It's not
> wise to try and use said machine while it's in the middle of data recovery.
> you may not get a 2nd chance to pull data if it's interrupted.
> 
> And, as you well know, my diagnosis was confirmed as being accurate, despite
> Snits efforts to stall and take his sweet time, deliberately ignoring my
> specific instructions and taking 'help' from anyone who posted. That
> actually makes troubleshooting remotely a bit of a pain. Time is wasted, and
> it only adds to possible confusion for him. I tried to explain this to you
> and SC; but you guys refused to just lemme do my thing. I'd have had that
> confirmed diagnosis a lot sooner if you guys had remained on the sidelines.
> I understand, you were both trying to help; but when you're actually serious
> about the trade, you don't do that.
> 
> It's too many chiefs and too few indians then, you understand? I'm not
> trying to insult either of you, btw, I'm just reminding you of things. The
> two of you were basically, I think without even realizing it, helping Snit
> try to make me look incompetent. That was the actual reason he agreed to let
> me try and diagnose his machine via usenet; He didn't think I'd actually be
> able to. He thought I was BSing, just as he thought I wasn't actually Raid
> for a long time. Until well, enough proof was posted that he couldn't
> continue making that claim. It just wasn't working out. Now he's trying to
> sell the story that he never did that. Now he's trying to say I accused him
> of not posting as Raid or some completely unrelated bullshit; that wasn't
> what I accused him of. And you know that. I was rightfully accusing him of
> lieing and spinning things around. Which publically agree or not, you know
> damn well that's part of what he does here.
> 
> I do understand why SC disagreed with my initial diagnosis; that's where
> hands on experience comes into play, in my favor in this case. I've never
> been what you call a hobbyist level computer user. My experience isn't
> limited to fixing friends and family computers as time allowed. I actually
> did it, every day, for a living. I didn't even spend a solid hour doing my
> CompTIA testing, David. I was high at the time and I fucked around; but I
> still passed with 95% average. Had I actually dedicated myself to it, I'd
> have 0wned it outright. I'm not a hobbyist repair person friends and family
> call; I have considerably more hands on experience from repairing hardware
> to software. FFS, I've rebuilt a corrupted windows registry hive by hand
> using a hex editor and writing little tools with ASIC to patch bytes. It
> took me 3 fucking hours, but I did it. Why didn't I just reload it? Well,
> that machine ran a plasma cutter that used proprietary as fuck software with
> a dongle and he had no way to reinstall it; lost the cdrom a long time ago.
> And despite my efforts to find a suitable copy online that would
> specifically run that hardware; It was deuces. So, if I couldn't keep the
> software in working condition, there was no point in going any further with
> the rig. It would either be able to run that huge plasma cutter or it
> wouldn't. And if it didn't, we didn't get paid for the job. Boss didn't like
> non paying jobs very much. It was in my best interest to repair whatever
> machine came onto my bench.
> 
> I didn't always have the luxury of rename windows directories and reload, or
> wipe and reload. Sometimes, the machine had very specific software that
> required you actually be a real Technician because you'd be doing what had
> to be done to restore the OS and software, without reloading; because as I
> wrote above, that wasn't an option. I've always hated that 'fix' methodology
> too, because if you really know what the fuck you're doing, you should not
> have to resort to a clean reload. Anybody can wipe and reload a box, you do
> it all the fucking time.
> 
> SC probably thought I was getting ahead of myself. But, again, I remind you
> I asked snit specific questions about the machines behavior and they weren't
> random ones. I was getting a feel for the status, mostly due to the way in
> which he described it began to fail on him. My decades of fixing these
> fucking things for a living is what lead me to that diagnosis. You have to
> understand, I've been repairing these rigs since before I was even a
> teenager; that's how I made money as a kid going to school. I didn't grow up,
> become an adult, and then decide 'hey I wanna work on computers and
> electronics' I was *already doing that* and had been since I was literally,
> a little kid.
> 
> Snit will come along and accuse me of having a huge ego here, I've little
> doubt. But, I'm sure you know this has fuckall to do with any ego on my part.
> I'm simply being blunt candid and honest. There's no ego here, I have
> nothing to prove.. My own known history did that for me. You read what
> chatgpt actually knows about me, you've even shared some of it's information
> on me here. I'm not an ego driven maniac that snits working so hard to paint
> me out as; when he could be more productive and work for a living.
> 
> If I was, you wouldn't have interacted with me beyond the first couple of
> emails between us. Snit's just using that as his latest bullshit excuse for
> his inability to keep up with me. A situation he put himself in, too, btw. I
> wasn't trying to 'compete' with him or anyone else here. I respect (greatly)
> two of the posters especially, and you know them both. And you know why I
> hold them in such high regard too.
> 
> They are, 100%, peers of mine. We're on the same level for the most part.
> Perhaps some skillset differences due to personal interest differences, but
> at the end of the day, they're just as competent as I am. I do not question
> the advice they provide others here when they choose to do so; I'm sure
> you've noticed that. I'm also sure you've noticed that when either of them
> or both disagrees with me, I still remain respectful (er for the most part
> anyhow. I do have a sailors mouth, after all. And, I really am the same way
> irl as I am here online. There is no persona, it's just me) I don't try to
> dog either of them. We can have arguments, etc, and, still not take it
> personal. As an actual peer would.
> 
> Sorry for the long response, but, I don't have the free time I once had to
> fiddle fart and fuck around. So I tend to condense things. Hopefully you're
> okay with this and we can have reasonable adult conversations.

HOW would you like me to respond to this, Dustin?

-- 
David

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So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 10:25 +0000
  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 06:34 -0500
    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 13:45 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:46 -0700
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 10:37 -0500
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 17:26 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 14:55 -0500
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:44 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 20:46 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:55 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:07 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:16 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:17 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:26 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 22:08 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:34 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 23:38 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:54 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 00:21 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:45 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:45 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 04:41 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:22 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:53 +0000
  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 15:33 +0000
    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 17:17 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 18:00 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 18:17 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 18:22 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 18:59 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 19:19 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 19:36 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 19:52 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:49 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 20:56 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:20 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:23 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:45 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 23:52 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:58 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 00:18 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 12:34 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 14:11 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 14:21 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 07:37 -0700
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:47 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:11 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 16:44 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:51 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2025-02-17 00:26 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-08 08:48 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:41 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 04:41 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:25 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:42 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:43 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 14:57 -0500
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:51 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:13 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:19 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:25 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 23:38 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> - 2025-02-16 16:19 -0600
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:49 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> - 2025-02-17 15:58 -0600
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-17 22:27 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-02-17 15:08 -0800
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> - 2025-02-19 23:10 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-19 23:29 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:50 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-22 22:36 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 15:42 -0700
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 22:42 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-23 00:03 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-23 02:22 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-08 08:52 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 14:16 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-08 22:33 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 23:19 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:39 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 23:30 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 17:11 -0700
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 00:18 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 17:25 -0700
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 00:58 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 18:51 -0700
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 01:55 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 19:01 -0700
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 02:41 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:38 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-22 22:42 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 23:08 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:46 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:43 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-17 15:07 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:45 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 04:41 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:21 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:54 +0000
    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 08:45 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-02-26 10:28 +0100
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> - 2025-03-04 10:11 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 04:52 -0500
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 12:46 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 08:04 -0500
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 13:57 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 14:01 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 09:47 -0500
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 09:49 -0500
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 15:24 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 15:05 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:08 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 16:42 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:51 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 16:56 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 17:11 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 17:30 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 19:36 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 19:57 +0000
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    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 08:36 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-02-26 11:41 +0100
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