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Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined?

From David <BD@invalid.email>
Newsgroups alt.computer.workshop, uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined?
Date 2025-02-17 22:27 +0000
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On 17/02/2025 21:58, Kelly Phillips wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 23:49:39 +0000, David <BD@invalid.email> wrote:
> 
>> On 16/02/2025 22:19, Kelly Phillips wrote:
>>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 21:13:27 +0000, David <BD@invalid.email> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 16/02/2025 19:44, Mike Easter wrote:
>>>>> AND...
>>>>
>>>>> ... your most frequently used anti-malware tactic is to 'regularly'
>>>>> erase your hdd and reinstall from scratch.
>>>>
>>>> I'm aware that you don't agree with my methodology - but it works! :-D
>>>
>>> But does it REALLY work? Remember when you used to be extremely fearful
>>> that wiping your drive didn't actually wipe every nook and cranny, and
>>> that your malware could possibly "lurk" or "hide" (your words) in some
>>> dark area of the drive, only to spring back to life at some time in the
>>> future?
>>
>> I did *NOT* specify *DRIVE* in that regard.
> 
> I don't think you have any idea what you've said. It's all good, though.
> 
>> I was suggesting that malware can reside elsewhere within the physical
>> machine.
> 
> Yes, I saw that, as well.

Malware *CAN* reside in places other than the main hard drive. Here are 
a few examples:

1. **USB Drives and External Storage**: Malware can infect USB drives, 
external hard drives, and SD cards. When these devices are plugged into 
a computer, the malware can execute or copy itself onto the system.

2. **Firmware**: Some sophisticated malware targets the firmware of 
devices like the BIOS or UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface). 
It can persist through reboots and even OS reinstalls, making it harder 
to remove.

3. **Network Devices**: Certain malware can be embedded in devices like 
routers, network-attached storage (NAS) devices, or printers. These 
devices may have weak security and can serve as entry points for the 
malware to infect connected computers.

4. **RAM**: Some malware operates purely in the system's memory (RAM), 
leaving no trace on the hard drive. This type of malware is often more 
challenging to detect, as it can vanish after a reboot.

5. **Cloud Storage or Network Shares**: Malware can infect cloud storage 
services or network shares. Once a device accesses these locations, it 
may download or spread the infection to other systems.

6. **Bootable Media**: In some cases, malware can reside on bootable 
media, such as CDs, DVDs, or even within boot sector code, and can 
execute before the operating system even loads.

These types of malware often require different approaches to detection 
and removal since traditional antivirus tools mainly focus on scanning 
hard drives.

-- 
David
Passing on viw of ChatGPT

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So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 10:25 +0000
  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 06:34 -0500
    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 13:45 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:46 -0700
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 10:37 -0500
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 17:26 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 14:55 -0500
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:44 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 20:46 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:55 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:07 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:16 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:17 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:26 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 22:08 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:34 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 23:38 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:54 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 00:21 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:45 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:45 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 04:41 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:22 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:53 +0000
  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 15:33 +0000
    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 17:17 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 18:00 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 18:17 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 18:22 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 18:59 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 19:19 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 19:36 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 19:52 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:49 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 20:56 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:20 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:23 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:45 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 23:52 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:58 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 00:18 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 12:34 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 14:11 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 14:21 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 07:37 -0700
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:47 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:11 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 16:44 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:51 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2025-02-17 00:26 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-08 08:48 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:41 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 04:41 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:25 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:42 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:43 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 14:57 -0500
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:51 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:13 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:19 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:25 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 23:38 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> - 2025-02-16 16:19 -0600
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:49 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> - 2025-02-17 15:58 -0600
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-17 22:27 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-02-17 15:08 -0800
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> - 2025-02-19 23:10 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-19 23:29 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:50 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-22 22:36 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 15:42 -0700
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 22:42 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-23 00:03 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-23 02:22 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-08 08:52 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 14:16 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-08 22:33 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 23:19 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:39 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 23:30 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 17:11 -0700
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 00:18 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 17:25 -0700
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 00:58 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 18:51 -0700
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 01:55 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 19:01 -0700
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 02:41 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:38 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-22 22:42 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 23:08 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:46 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:43 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-17 15:07 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
  Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:45 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 04:41 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:21 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:54 +0000
    Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 08:45 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-02-26 10:28 +0100
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> - 2025-03-04 10:11 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 04:52 -0500
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 12:46 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 08:04 -0500
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 13:57 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 14:01 +0000
              Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 09:47 -0500
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 09:49 -0500
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 15:24 +0000
                Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 15:05 +0000
      Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:08 +0000
        Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 16:42 +0000
          Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:51 +0000
            Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 16:56 +0000
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