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| From | McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> |
| Message-ID | <5ee0e4fe@LostBBS> (permalink) |
| Organization | None |
| Date | 2020-06-10 08:48 -0500 |
Why would I want it to be ?!?! BwAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahaaaaa! On 6/9/2020 11:37 PM, Dana Haywood wrote: > The thing is that 4 cores with that Intel Core Duo and 8 cores are not > really fair comparison. :) > > On 6/9/2020 09:13 PM, McGrandpa wrote: >> They will be grubbing for the headcount, of course. How many heads >> are doing this very thin slice of the 3D Graphics *HOME* segment, as >> opposed to how many GAMERS are squabbing over scarfing up the latest >> bestest graphics board? The gamers win that one hands down. >> Numbers win every time. Gotta make a living! >> I do static images because its what my rig can handle without burning >> up. Literally. My poor ol Core Duo Quadcore has been left sitting >> in the dust! >> We'll see how 8 cores/16 threads hold up in todays world :P >> >> On 6/9/2020 7:16 PM, Dana Haywood wrote: >>> As a consumer, who do you think NVidia going to market to? Hobbyist >>> people with Daz Studio or Poser ..or to people who think it is their >>> life mission to have the highest kill count in whatever game ;) To >>> achieve photoreal, GPU is needed because we saw the limit of what the >>> CPU capable of..so having a rig that capable of performance for game >>> also applies to static images as well :P) >>> >>> On 6/9/2020 05:06 PM, Stephen wrote: >>>> For me, when I'm rendering animations, fps DOES make a difference but >>>> when I'm working on a 'static' image, I mostly care about achieving >>>> something as close to photorealism as I can get. >>>> I know that graphics RAM and speed are used for both games and >>>> rendering still images. I guess it's just their marketing scheme that >>>> bugs me. It makes me want to scream, "I'm not goofing off playing >>>> games! I'm an old man trying to do some serious artwork here!!" :o) >>>> >>>> That is - unless I AM goofing off and paying a game of course. >>>> <LOL>!! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Dana Haywood" <no.way@jos> wrote in message >>>> news:YuOdneAhq7kZa0LDnZ2dnUU7-cPNnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>> Well, Stephen, think about it. >>>>> >>>>> What is the most important thing for a gaming rig? FPS. Going 50-60 >>>>> FPS is ideal for most games, and it becomes more challenging when >>>>> trying to render more complicated geometry, textures, render engines >>>>> like IRay, etc. >>>>> >>>>> Before GPU rendering became a thing, we had to rely on Memory and >>>>> CPU. Now, GPU rendering is a thing, so the more it can handle >>>>> geometry, textures, material (different than textures apparently), >>>>> light, and whatever else I see when IRay goes off, the better it >>>>> performs. >>>>> >>>>> Even without GPU rendering, we relied on fast processors and high >>>>> amounts of RAM. The same is true with a gaming rig. >>>>> >>>>> So like I said earlier, A Gaming Rig and Image Producing one are not >>>>> that different. Now for servers, yea, those have different >>>>> requirements, but gaming and rendering system generally align more or >>>>> less. :) >>>>> >>>>> On 6/9/2020 12:09 PM, Stephen wrote: >>>>>> BTW, I've also noticed on the NVidia site that even their highest >>>>>> quality boards are sold as great GAMING tools and the benchmarks are >>>>>> all geared to games and the number of fps they can do. I once asked >>>>>> them why they do that because I want a board for serious superior >>>>>> image production, not gaming. They just said it's the same thing and >>>>>> left it at that. :o/ >>>>>> I think you have to just ignore their sales pitch and go for one >>>>>> that will meet you own specifications. Rich kids who do nothing but >>>>>> play games all day must be where they make the most money so they'll >>>>>> just keep selling them that way. >>>>>> >>>>>> "McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:5edc6aae@LostBBS... >>>>>>> ALSO: I now have ALL items from THREE orders at Walmart.com IN >>>>>>> HOUSE! Except ONE thing. The motherboard. The seller of that >>>>>>> Gigabyte mobo cancelled it. They did NOT have one in stock. So >>>>>>> what the F*** did you SELL it to me for!@#RY()(@) ARRRGH! So till >>>>>>> 3am I looked and looked and looked. Then back at Walmart.com, ONE >>>>>>> HIT comes up for any X570 AMD chipset and RYZEN 7 3000 series cpu. >>>>>>> One for an ASUS motherboard. I kept looking though, cause of the >>>>>>> name of the mobo. >>>>>>> ASUS - TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI). TuF Gaming. Right. I want a >>>>>>> render beest, not a game toy. Then I exasperatedly read the specs >>>>>>> and features. Ho! Its a better mobo by a good bit than the >>>>>>> Gigabyte I was so worked up over. Pushed the "PAY" button. So >>>>>>> now I'm waiting for the TuF Gamer motherboard. Yep. Sure really >>>>>>> am. :o\ yes, everything else IS here. 32gb DDR4, check! AMD >>>>>>> Ryzen 7 3000X, check! Yeah, just need the 3rd of The Main Three. >>>>>>> I just hope this doesn't go the way of that first one. If it does, >>>>>>> me and Walmart.com are going to have some ernest words about THEIR >>>>>>> not having any parts IN STOCK. Suddenly they are becoming less >>>>>>> than useless.... >>>>>>> McG. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6/6/2020 10:03 PM, Stephen wrote: >>>>>>>> I've never had any luck installing and using DSON. If I could buy >>>>>>>> a G8 >>>>>>>> figure and just install and use it like I did with V4/M4, that >>>>>>>> would be >>>>>>>> great. I do NOT want to fart around with some confusing DS to Poser >>>>>>>> bridge though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:5ed9e16f$1@LostBBS... >>>>>>>>> Why in the UNIVERSE would DAZ's opinion in what POSER is able to >>>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>> directly, important even to an ANT, or something equally, dismally >>>>>>>>> removed from all things 3D ??? IT DOESN'T !!!! LOL! >>>>>>>>> They have even OFFERED to help Poser with that very thing. And >>>>>>>>> S-M >>>>>>>>> adamantly refused. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, I see it as a matter of survival. I LIKE what I have >>>>>>>>> seen in >>>>>>>>> the Genesis 3 and 8 Figures. Though I hate DS the program, I >>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>> hate the CONTENT. And, about ME, DAZ3D has known this from the >>>>>>>>> start. >>>>>>>>> IF DS became something that *I* personally deem USABLE, I will >>>>>>>>> use it. >>>>>>>>> I keep it installed, just hate using it. Sooo. I know exactly >>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>> G3 and G8 are like. :) And there are a lot of people that are >>>>>>>>> clamoring for POSER to be made able to load and use all the DAZ >>>>>>>>> Figures directly. >>>>>>>>> Jenn Blake blew up about it. Well, um, THAT lit a different >>>>>>>>> fuse. You >>>>>>>>> reading me still, Jenn? >>>>>>>>> McG. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2020 9:03 PM, Stephen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> That would go a long way to getting me to buy a DAZ figure past >>>>>>>>>> V4 but >>>>>>>>>> don't hold your breath on DAZ okaying that. :o( >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:5ed6cc01$1@LostBBS... >>>>>>>>>>> Sooo that is greater use of the hardware. DS still lags >>>>>>>>>>> severely in >>>>>>>>>>> keeping up. Same old group of DEVS, and same group of >>>>>>>>>>> programs to >>>>>>>>>>> work on. >>>>>>>>>>> Poser. Yeah, one program, one TEAM. I hope we can kick and >>>>>>>>>>> scream >>>>>>>>>>> and beleaguer their BOSSES into ok'ing getting the module to >>>>>>>>>>> load DS >>>>>>>>>>> content directly. SOON. NOT DAZ SOOOOOON either. :D >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 6/2/2020 2:58 PM, Dana Haywood wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> It is worthwhile if an application supports it. SLI and >>>>>>>>>>>> CrossFire in a >>>>>>>>>>>> nutshell: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Video card: 1 GPU, 6GB VRAM, 1000 CUDA cores. >>>>>>>>>>>> Video card: 1 GPU, 6GB VRAM, 1000 CUDA cores, >>>>>>>>>>>> SLI'd, the app will see it as 2 GPU chips, 12GB of VRAM, and >>>>>>>>>>>> 2000 CUDA >>>>>>>>>>>> cores. Meaning, it will process graphics faster. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The problem currently with Daz and IRay, it doesn't have the >>>>>>>>>>>> functionality..yet. So when it does an IRay render, it will >>>>>>>>>>>> load the >>>>>>>>>>>> scene on both cards and run it. If it doesn't fit on the first >>>>>>>>>>>> card, >>>>>>>>>>>> only the second card will run it. If it doesn't fit on either >>>>>>>>>>>> of them, >>>>>>>>>>>> it will do a CPU render. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2020 08:52 PM, Spamster wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know much about SLI, as I've never really though it >>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>> worthwhile, so I'm not sure about how it does or does not >>>>>>>>>>>>> work. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2020 10:39 PM, Dana Haywood wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That why sometime in the future I am thinking of getting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nvidia rtx card. To my understanding Daz Studio/Iray doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do SLI, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but...I can dedicate it to specific cores. So..if one card >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bogged >>>>>>>>>>>>>> down from "Displaying"...I can have another just for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering.:) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2020 11:45 AM, Spamster wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds great. IMO, the bottleneck in your system will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the video >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> card, which is used by games and 3D apps. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2020 12:42 PM, McGrandpa wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's pretty similar to this stuff I just ordered. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Ryzen 7 3700X & Wraith Prism cooling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HyperX Fury 32GB 2666MHz DDR4 CL16 DIMM (Kit of 2) Black >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gigabyte AMD AM4 X570 AORUS ELITE WIFI Motherboard (I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demand SIX >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SATA ports dammit! This is THE one that I found that could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be sent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to me.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither of our CPU's has onboard graphics. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both our CPU's have some serious ass kickery potential! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 32 gigs of DDR4 is nothing to sneeze at, not when I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8 gigs of DDR2 (PC800) RAM for 12 years! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will simply add my existing case, power supply, handful >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of SSDs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the BluRay burner, and the old Video card. BFG built >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man. Real good! Its still kicking butt! I bet this will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perk up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my gaming too, as well as all the 3D stuff :oD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The CPU arrives this Friday, then the RAM on Tuesday the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9th, then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mobo Monday the 15th. In the meantime, I should start >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloading all the drivers and utilities I'll be needing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the motherboard should come with disk(s). When it starts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be the first time all these SSD's and USB devices get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to run >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at full speed! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, we'll see, soon enough! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McG. :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/1/2020 9:15 AM, Stephen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know you said you want to keep your old case but one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has made computing nicer for me is a new case by a company >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called "Be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quiet", and it really is. It actually took me a while to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kept thinking it had shut down when I wasn't looking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directly at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. :o) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, here's my system: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing spectacular really... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:5ed43956$1@LostBBS... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it is of computer parts for building myself a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rig. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even put it inside this old case, so it will fool anyone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ride >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me about the spending of my money. Yeah I got relatives >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really that way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking Ryzen 7 octal core, a gigabyte mobo "ultra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> durable" like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this 12 year old one. I do not need or want 'SLI' or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Crossfire'. Just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a single PCIe x16 slot, some other little PCIe slots. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *LEAST* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 64gigs of system RAM! And will I need a different power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supply? Or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will the 750W single 12v rail one do well? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So anyway, thought I'd bounce ideas around with you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks, see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snowball up! :) Thanks in advance, too guys! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McG. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>> >
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Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! Dana Haywood <no.way@jos> - 2020-05-31 16:18 -0700
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> - 2020-06-01 01:07 -0500
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! Spamster <user@domain.com> - 2020-05-31 20:58 -0400
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Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! "Stephen" <sbriggs99@gmail.com> - 2020-06-04 21:04 -0400
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Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> - 2020-06-01 23:41 -0500
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! Spamster <user@domain.com> - 2020-06-02 05:07 -0400
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> - 2020-06-02 12:40 -0500
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! Dana Haywood <no.way@jos> - 2020-06-01 19:39 -0700
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Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> - 2020-06-02 16:59 -0500
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! Dana Haywood <no.way@jos> - 2020-06-02 16:52 -0700
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Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! "Stephen" <sbriggs99@gmail.com> - 2020-06-04 22:03 -0400
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> - 2020-06-05 01:07 -0500
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! "Stephen" <sbriggs99@gmail.com> - 2020-06-06 23:03 -0400
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> - 2020-06-06 22:49 -0500
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> - 2020-06-06 23:18 -0500
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! Dana Haywood <no.way@jos> - 2020-06-06 21:54 -0700
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> - 2020-06-07 02:23 -0500
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! Spamster <user@domain.com> - 2020-06-07 03:59 -0400
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> - 2020-06-07 07:34 -0500
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! Dana Haywood <no.way@jos> - 2020-06-07 05:48 -0700
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! Dana Haywood <no.way@jos> - 2020-06-07 05:51 -0700
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! Spamster <user@domain.com> - 2020-06-07 10:38 -0400
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Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> - 2020-06-07 11:59 -0500
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! Spamster <user@domain.com> - 2020-06-07 04:04 -0400
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! Dana Haywood <no.way@jos> - 2020-06-07 05:33 -0700
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> - 2020-06-07 09:41 -0500
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! "Stephen" <sbriggs99@gmail.com> - 2020-06-09 14:55 -0400
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> - 2020-06-16 10:10 -0500
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! "Stephen" <sbriggs99@gmail.com> - 2020-06-09 15:09 -0400
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! Dana Haywood <no.way@jos> - 2020-06-09 13:52 -0700
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! "Stephen" <sbriggs99@gmail.com> - 2020-06-09 20:06 -0400
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! Dana Haywood <no.way@jos> - 2020-06-09 17:16 -0700
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! "Stephen" <sbriggs99@gmail.com> - 2020-06-09 20:48 -0400
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! McGrandpa <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> - 2020-06-09 23:13 -0500
Re: ok, I am actually making a list, and checking it dozens of times! Dana Haywood <no.way@jos> - 2020-06-09 21:37 -0700
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