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Re: Particles and Theory

Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Date 2015-09-18 12:17 -0700
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Subject Re: Particles and Theory
From JanPB <filmart@gmail.com>

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On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 1:00:16 AM UTC-7, Ned Latham wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
> > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > JanPB wrote:
> > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ----snip----
> > > > >
> > > > > > Perhaps "Ned Latham" should be dealt with like an annoying kid
> > > > > > is most effectively dealt with, ie by actively ignoring it :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Given a choice between being trolled by retards and being ignored
> > > > > by retards, I'd take the latter.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do please feel free to ignore me.
> > > >
> > > > That's a nice piece of rhetoric but you still haven't told us how
> > > > does one improve upon theory X without understanding X first?
> > >
> > > Oh, but I have: that hypothetcal I gave you explains it quite well.
> >
> > You haven't answered my question.
> 
> Oh, but I have: that hypothetcal I gave you answers it quite well.

You have not answered my question which was: what is the amplitude
corresponding to the Feynman diagram of order two of an electron-muon
scattering?

> > > But since you're too thivk to understand analogy, perhaps you can
> > > get to grips with one of the most frequently applied methods.
> >
> > I didn't ask about analogy, I asked a specific question to make
> > you understand something.
> 
> Liar. You asked a question you thought might trip me up.

Yes, that's why I asked it. It should be a basic question for someone
intent on replacing QED.

> > > You improve on theory X by replacing it with theory Y.
> >
> > Sure, that was never under discussion.
> 
> Liar. That is *exactly* what was under discussion.

No. I said from the beginning that one must understand theory X in order
to change it. The rest is splitting hairs.

> >                                        What I said was your
> > chances of discovering theory Y without understanding theory
> > X first were zero.
> 
> Liar. You said nothing about "discovering" a theory: you alleged
> that it's impossible to "improve upon" a theory without first
> understanding it.

Splitting hairs. You know what I meant: since you don't understand
QED, the chances of your theory being worth anything are zero.

> See your own message
> <9c739e30-59f6-4e3e-a210-610f96de0c69@googlegroups.com>,
> you lying maggot.
> 
> >                    Simply a friendly advice:
> 
> Liar. Your intent was, and remains, malicious.

No, entertainment.

> >                                              don't waste your
> > life away like that. Learn the real thing first.
> 
> Learn some English, you cretin. Or some honesty.

What's so dishonest about insisting on competence?
 
--
Jan

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Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-03 03:48 -0500
  Re: Particles and Theory Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 11:39 +0200
    Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-03 08:39 -0500
      Re: Particles and Theory Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 16:08 +0200
        Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-03 15:22 -0500
  Re: Particles and Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-03 20:28 +0200
    Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-03 15:33 -0500
      Re: Particles and Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-04 05:16 +0200
      Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-04 01:07 -0500
        Re: Particles and Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-04 08:34 +0200
          Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-04 08:50 -0500
            Re: Particles and Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-04 19:42 +0200
              Re: Particles and Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-05 00:53 +0200
              Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-05 11:20 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-05 18:33 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-05 21:50 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-06 05:29 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-05 23:54 -0400
                Re: Particles and Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-06 16:43 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-07 07:08 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-09-09 12:46 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-10 14:20 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-09-11 13:39 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Tad Winter <floyw@timedomain.au> - 2015-09-11 19:02 +0000
                Re: Particles and Theory underante <underante@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-11 13:05 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-12 15:11 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-12 14:56 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-12 14:43 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-13 08:54 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-13 09:28 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-13 18:33 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-13 16:50 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-14 19:30 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-09-12 23:21 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-13 09:23 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-09-06 12:18 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 13:22 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-16 19:11 -0700
        Re: Particles and Theory Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-09-09 12:40 -0500
          Re: Particles and Theory Edgardo Alcantara <edgardoalcantara@carosseryrepair.org> - 2015-09-09 17:52 +0000
            Re: Particles and Theory Edgardo Alcantara <edgardoalcantara@carosseryrepair.org> - 2015-09-09 17:53 +0000
          Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-10 13:49 -0500
            Re: Particles and Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-11 06:56 +0200
              Re: Particles and Theory Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-09-11 13:50 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-11 22:28 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-25 07:34 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-09-25 10:56 -0500
            Re: Particles and Theory Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-09-12 20:32 -0500
              Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-13 09:34 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 14:00 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-13 19:04 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 23:17 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-14 19:23 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 18:43 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2015-09-15 17:28 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-15 15:13 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 14:51 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-15 19:10 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 21:28 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-18 03:00 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 12:17 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-18 14:59 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 13:11 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-23 07:56 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-09-23 10:30 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-23 17:56 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-24 04:46 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-23 21:20 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 12:33 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-23 21:57 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory Jimmie Wynne <jimmwyn@metermap.org> - 2015-09-23 20:07 +0000
                Re: Particles and Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-23 22:43 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-24 05:16 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-24 20:24 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-09-24 23:16 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-25 12:52 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-25 22:50 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-25 15:06 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory alsor@interia.pl - 2015-09-26 11:42 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2015-09-26 13:04 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-26 23:17 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2015-09-26 16:18 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-27 12:26 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-27 11:42 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-09-27 23:10 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-28 01:31 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-09-28 01:44 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-09-28 03:23 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2015-09-27 16:55 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-09-27 23:22 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-26 08:45 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-26 16:09 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-26 12:48 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 12:25 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-23 21:48 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory Jimmie Wynne <jimmwyn@metermap.org> - 2015-09-23 20:04 +0000
                Re: Particles and Theory Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-09-24 06:50 +1000
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 14:28 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-24 05:38 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-24 10:57 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-24 20:23 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-24 11:37 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-24 21:59 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-25 13:05 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-25 12:09 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Jimmie Wynne <jimmwyn@metermap.org> - 2015-09-25 19:18 +0000
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-25 12:38 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Jimmie Wynne <jimmwyn@metermap.org> - 2015-09-25 19:44 +0000
                Re: Particles and Theory alsor@interia.pl - 2015-09-25 13:07 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-26 16:15 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-26 12:54 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-27 12:23 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-16 19:32 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-15 15:04 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 15:05 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-15 19:02 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 21:40 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-18 03:53 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-09-18 09:40 +0000
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 13:18 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-18 23:33 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 13:17 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-16 19:30 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-09-17 20:56 +1000
                Re: Particles and Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-17 04:25 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory HW@...(HG Wilson) - 2015-09-18 15:19 +1000
                Re: Particles and Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-18 05:43 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-09-19 07:05 +1000
                Re: Particles and Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-18 15:29 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory HW@...(HG Wilson) - 2015-09-20 08:04 +1000
                Re: Particles and Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-19 17:10 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-09-21 06:13 +1000
                Re: Particles and Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-20 13:41 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-09-25 03:03 +1000
                Re: Particles and Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-24 13:51 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-18 02:45 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-09-19 08:04 +1000
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-19 00:11 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory HW@...(HG Wilson) - 2015-09-20 08:32 +1000
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-19 23:56 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-09-21 06:17 +1000
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-20 18:11 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-09-21 19:36 +1000
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-21 06:08 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-09-21 16:31 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-09-23 20:03 +1000
                Re: Particles and Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-23 04:57 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-09-24 06:33 +1000
                Re: Particles and Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-23 14:05 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-09-24 19:22 +1000
                Re: Particles and Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-24 04:51 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-09-28 10:41 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-18 19:17 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-18 21:17 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory HW@...(HG Wilson) - 2015-09-20 08:34 +1000
                Re: Particles and Theory Ned Latham <nedlatham@internode.on.net> - 2015-09-19 00:16 -0500
                Re: Particles and Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-09-25 08:06 +0200
                Re: Particles and Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-25 00:20 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-09-25 00:35 -0700
                Re: Particles and Theory fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-09-26 07:07 -0700
  Re: Particles and Theory John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-05 19:54 -0700

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