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Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity?

From	kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity?
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Date	2015-08-10 23:18 -0400

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On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 19:47:13 -0700 (PDT), Jon Price
<jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> wrote:

>If time does not dilate, then how can the speed of light be constant in all reference frames?
>If time does not dilate, doesn't that bring us back to the problems Einstein and others were trying to solve 100 or so years ago? 

        It looks like you are assuming all the different 
observations and experiment results are caused
by the same phenomenon, they are not.

        Observations "from afar" involve light
distance delay, that is one case and it will
be evident at any and all relative velocities.

         Your statements above makes it seem
you are unaware that time flow is the same
everywhere in the universe.

         Elapsed time of objects moving at near
the speed of light (no objects having mass
greater than a gram or so can never be given
that much speed) will appear to be much less
than objects next to each other, because the
travel time is inordinately less at those speeds.

         There is relative motion doppler effect,
and gravitational red and blue shifts similar
to motion doppler.
        

        While the exact cause of some of the
effects are not well understood, experiments
have shown what to expect.

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H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-08 18:56 +0000
  Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 13:59 -0500
    Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-08 19:16 +0000
      Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-08 19:55 +0000
        Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-19 05:03 -0400
    Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-08-09 00:45 +0000
      Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Ignorant Raving Crackpot <ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 20:37 -0700
  Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-08 19:02 +0000
    Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 14:03 -0500
      Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-08 19:06 +0000
  Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 22:09 -0700
    Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-09 01:25 -0400
      Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-09 12:54 +0000
      Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 09:07 -0500
  Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2015-08-09 09:52 +0200
    Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-09 12:50 +0000
      Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-09 09:20 -0400
        Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-09 13:35 +0000
  Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Mikko <mikko.levanto@outlook.com> - 2015-08-09 17:22 +0300
  Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 12:14 -0700
    Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-10 21:31 +0200
      Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 12:56 -0700
        Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-10 22:08 +0200
          Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 14:17 -0700
            Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-11 16:54 +0200
  H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Jon Price <jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:21 -0700
    Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-10 22:51 +0200
      Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Jon Price <jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 19:47 -0700
        Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-10 23:18 -0400
        Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 21:12 -0700
          Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 21:49 -0700
          Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-11 17:11 +0200
        Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-11 17:08 +0200
          Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 10:50 -0700
            Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-11 20:50 +0200
              Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 12:06 -0700
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-11 21:24 +0200
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-11 21:29 +0200
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:41 -0700
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-12 16:45 +0200
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 10:33 -0700
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-12 19:46 +0200
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 10:57 -0700
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-12 21:15 +0200
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 12:49 -0700
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-12 22:16 +0200
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:28 -0700
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-13 17:01 +0200
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 11:24 -0700
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-14 20:52 +0200
              Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Jon Price <jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 12:31 -0700
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-11 21:39 +0200
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 15:27 -0500
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:47 -0700
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 15:57 -0500
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-12 02:33 -0400
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:43 -0500
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-12 12:12 -0400
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 11:31 -0500
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-12 14:05 -0400
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 14:14 -0500
  H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Jon Price <jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:32 -0700
    Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 15:56 -0500
      Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Jon Price <jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 19:43 -0700
        Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 07:42 -0500
          Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 11:12 -0700
            Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:11 -0700
              Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 15:38 -0500

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