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Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity?

From	Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity?
Date	2015-08-14 20:52 +0200
Organization	ATMAN - ATM S.A.
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> > > I will spare you searching.
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole - quoting:
> > > To a distant observer, clocks near a black hole appear to tick more
> > > slowly than those further away from the black hole.[50] Due to this
> > > effect, known as gravitational time dilation, an object falling into a
> > > black hole appears to slow down as it approaches the event horizon,
> > > taking an infinite time to reach it
> > > end of quoting.
> >
> > |I'll try to find the quotes. IIRC this is not what you were saying,
> >
> > That's because your memory is the same shit, as the
> > whole rest of  your tiny brain, my dear guru.
>
> |You are a really rude, bitter person. Anyway, my memory unfortunately
> |for you appears to be excellent as you've just repeated the claims
> |you made about that Schwarzschild horizon thing exactly as I remembered
> them.
>
> A really pathetic lie. But, of course, expected from a relativistic
> moron.

|You say "A really pathetic lie" and then immediately follow it by
|what I had said:

That's because it is a really pathetic lie, my dear honest, lying
shit.

> > If you're a distant, then - according
> > to your shit - for you a massive object will never cross the
> > horizon.
>
> |No. This is what I've been telling you all along: it's a false
>
> Yes. And your moronic mumble won't change it.

|What do you mean, "yes". If you are saying that the statement
|"a massive object will never cross the horizon" is FALSE
|(which is what I've been saying since day one), then why are
|you arguing this point?

Because by "yes" I meant: yes, if you're a distant,
then, according to your shit, for you, a massive object will
never cross the horizon. What, of course, makes your shit
inconsistent.

> |statement. Wikipedia is unfortunately full of careless statements
> |bordering on false like this one, they neglect to say this claim
> |is a _function of a particular man-made convention for gathering data_
>
> They don't have to. Every statement of every theory has the property.

|Yes, but this is a trivial statement.

So, why did you emphasize, that the one we're talking about has it
too?


|in fact slows down to zero in the limit. The single word "appear" that
|they use is very easy to overlook.

:)
Really pathetic. As expected from a relativistic moron.
Appears to slow down. Not appears taking infinite time.

But, why won't you  tell me, what is your alternative?
Can a distant observer, like you, determine, how much
time it takes for an object to cross the horizon? Or
estimate it?

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H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-08 18:56 +0000
  Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 13:59 -0500
    Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-08 19:16 +0000
      Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-08 19:55 +0000
        Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-19 05:03 -0400
    Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-08-09 00:45 +0000
      Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Ignorant Raving Crackpot <ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 20:37 -0700
  Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-08 19:02 +0000
    Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 14:03 -0500
      Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-08 19:06 +0000
  Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 22:09 -0700
    Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-09 01:25 -0400
      Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-09 12:54 +0000
      Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 09:07 -0500
  Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2015-08-09 09:52 +0200
    Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-09 12:50 +0000
      Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-09 09:20 -0400
        Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-09 13:35 +0000
  Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Mikko <mikko.levanto@outlook.com> - 2015-08-09 17:22 +0300
  Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 12:14 -0700
    Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-10 21:31 +0200
      Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 12:56 -0700
        Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-10 22:08 +0200
          Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 14:17 -0700
            Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-11 16:54 +0200
  H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Jon Price <jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:21 -0700
    Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-10 22:51 +0200
      Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Jon Price <jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 19:47 -0700
        Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-10 23:18 -0400
        Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 21:12 -0700
          Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 21:49 -0700
          Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-11 17:11 +0200
        Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-11 17:08 +0200
          Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 10:50 -0700
            Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-11 20:50 +0200
              Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 12:06 -0700
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-11 21:24 +0200
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-11 21:29 +0200
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:41 -0700
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-12 16:45 +0200
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 10:33 -0700
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-12 19:46 +0200
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 10:57 -0700
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-12 21:15 +0200
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 12:49 -0700
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-12 22:16 +0200
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:28 -0700
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-13 17:01 +0200
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 11:24 -0700
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-14 20:52 +0200
              Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Jon Price <jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 12:31 -0700
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-11 21:39 +0200
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 15:27 -0500
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:47 -0700
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 15:57 -0500
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-12 02:33 -0400
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:43 -0500
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-12 12:12 -0400
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 11:31 -0500
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-12 14:05 -0400
                Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 14:14 -0500
  H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Jon Price <jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:32 -0700
    Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 15:56 -0500
      Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Jon Price <jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 19:43 -0700
        Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 07:42 -0500
          Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 11:12 -0700
            Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:11 -0700
              Re: H. G. Wells, the father of Relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 15:38 -0500

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