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Re: Why is the universe flat?

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Date 2015-10-26 14:44 -0800
From The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Why is the universe flat?
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Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> 
> On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 10:40:15 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sunday, October 25, 2015 at 3:03:05 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 10:56:18 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 11:51:55 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 9:01:07 AM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On 10/23/15 10:54 AM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >>    Background for you Ross
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>    Refraction by Lenses
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/refrn/Lesson-5/Refraction-by-Lenses
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>    Refraction and Lenses
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >http://www.bowlesphysics.com/images/AP_Physics_B_-_Refraction_and_Lenses.pdf
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>    Atmospheric refraction
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, I could already search for that, and I have a
> > > > > > > > > > > > library here including some texts on optics, eg, "wave
> > > > > > > > > > > > optics" besides "geometrical optics".  (I've already
> > > > > > > > > > > > been through uni. undergraduate physics courses,
> > > > > > > > > > > > with a mathematics degree.)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >    I would like you to read these resources.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sorry Sam, I work for Uncle Al.  Get your own grad student.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > That's a usenet funny - Sam:  that's about "wave
> > > > > > > > > > optics" AND "geometrical optics", and other usual
> > > > > > > > > > interesting optical effects that yet fall under "to
> > > > > > > > > > be more fully explained".  Thank you, Fresnel and Land.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Then, here, for mathematical physics writ large, this
> > > > > > > > > > is about "infinity, mathematical, in physics".
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > infinity, mathematical, in physics does not...compute.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > are the laws of physics exist somewhere, someplace ...anyplace somewhere
> > > > > > > > > other than inside your mind?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > does evil exist as a force or a place somewhere out there somewhere??
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "infinity, mathematical, in physics" is just....a thought, ..it exist
> > > > > > > > > only in the mind...like evil.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No, StarMaker, that is metaphysics, meaning actually
> > > > > > > > of morality, meaning not of physics, which is
> > > > > > > > scientific.  (There are scientific theories of
> > > > > > > > what and why people believe.)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm neutral (lawful good), evil doesn't enter into it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Infinity, on the other hand, is well nigh ubiquitous
> > > > > > > > in our field equations of physics for where it's been
> > > > > > > > carefully detailed in "normalization" and etcetera,
> > > > > > > > standard modeling of the "Dirac delta or impulse" and
> > > > > > > > etcetera, and otherwise out from the classical (where
> > > > > > > > Cauchy/Weierstrass already sufficiently formalized the
> > > > > > > > "differential", which some physicists may know as "raw",
> > > > > > > > or a "mathematical infinitesimal", for the "beyond the"
> > > > > > > > or "extra-" standard mathematics, rigorous and formal so
> > > > > > > > without equivocation and etcetera.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ([Einstein quotes.])
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is science, don't hem while you haw.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You believe that math is a discovery, not an invention of man.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What about 'the laws of physics', are they an invention of man or a
> > > > > > > discovery?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Or, is it as simple as...'people see what they want to see'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Truth is discovered /
> > > > > > lies are invented /
> > > > > > when you discover a lie /
> > > > > > that's the truth
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's poetic, but also "truths" are invented,
> > > > > > sure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There's not so much a technical difference
> > > > > > between inventing one's mental machinery
> > > > > > and discovering it's the truth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Really though I think you'd be more interested
> > > > > > in possibilities in mathematics for physics
> > > > > > than the semantics of "discovery vs. invention"
> > > > > > when those aren't exclusive.  That's not so much
> > > > > > a wild goose chase, as chasing a goose (or "snipe").
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (You can leave that to mathematics.  Also that
> > > > > > doesn't interfere with your cognitive semantics
> > > > > > about knowledge and its discovery, or what you
> > > > > > establish via action.)
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't undersatnd what you are saying...
> > > > > you simply have a perpective of the world
> > > > > where you see math and laws of physics as
> > > > > somewhere out there...on what planet, Pluto?
> > > > > Mars...under a rock somewhere? Where is it that these
> > > > > math rules and laws of physics exist at? maybe on an asteroid,
> > > > > a comet...inside a star? It has to be somewhere besides...in you mind.
> > > > >
> > > > > But where??? where is it at?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yous are no different than people who believe in flying saucers from
> > > > > outer space or, ghosts.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are just inventions of the mind...
> > > > >
> > > > > And I cannot believe people 'still' hang to a guy born 347 BC named Plato.
> > > > >
> > > > > Plato invented the inventions of the mind.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'll take it a step further..
> > > > looking at it in reverse...
> > > > the laws of physics
> > > > cannot explain...people,
> > > > math cannot explain people.
> > > >
> > > > Things that don't exist cannot explain that which does.
> > > >
> > > > People exist on earth. Where do the laws of physics exist? What place in the universe?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Answer: There is no place...
> > > >
> > > > it exist only in the mind.
> > >
> > > So Starmaker and HVAC are the same?
> > >
> > > "A Theory of Mind", and there are various of
> > > those, may be an enlightened personal philosophy
> > > (and it's not a lack thereof).
> > >
> > > The field of cognition as of beliefs / desires /
> > > motivations in a usual model of sentience , in
> > > part explains people.
> > >
> > > We're scientists.  We know that science informs
> > > us, including that bad science misinforms (that's
> > > quantitative).
> > >
> > > Here, mathematics is established via proof, logical
> > > proof.  From the foundations of a mathematical logic,
> > > mathematical relations _are established as facts,
> > > then physicists know their _model of physics_ is
> > > a mathematical model where the mathematics if fixed,
> > > mathematics is never wrong, only the model can be
> > > wrong.
> > >
> > > This is familiar from a usual hallway quote or classroom
> > > quip with "quantum mechanics is never wrong", qualifiedly,
> > > "if you can find an error in quantum mechanics we can publish
> > > it and get famous."   Its the brass ring, but generally
> > > also considered somewhat difficult to achieve (learning to
> > > understand quantum mechanics).
> > >
> > > Our physical model has components seemingly / obviously
> > > very well suited to utilize a mathematical theory of
> > > "real" (for the concrete) mathematical infinitesimals,
> > > here, for as of the differential (often "dx").
> > >
> > > Then, where the grail is "solving for the path integral",
> > > it is of the consequences of all configuration of
> > > experiment, then for that a mathematical physics would
> > > be needing infinity, if it's in the physics (really).
> > >
> > > The universe is infinite or we'd be a point (all
> > > one reference frame).  That we aren't, is that it is.
> > >
> > > Does Einstein have enough quotable material, that
> > > you can find any truth you need from him?  (It's a
> > > start.)  Luckily his imagination was unbounded.
> >
> > You don't have to be and Einstein to have unbounded imagination...
> >
> >
> >
> > Mathematics is just a walt disney cartoon like mickey mouse.
> >
> > Somebody draws a few lines, calls it a mouse..
> > and it takes a life of it's own.
> >
> > Now you have disney land and kids around the world
> > want to see micky mouse.
> >
> > But it's just a few lines on paper...a cartoon.
> >
> > Mathematics was around before Plato was born...
> > by the time Plato...'discovered it', it already took a life
> > of it's own.
> >
> > I think you're just making a mountain out of a mathematical
> > infinitesimals molehill.
> 
> So, you're OK with going back to rocks and sticks?


If we go back to rocks and sticks, it will be the 'scientific community' doing...

thank Einstein...he invented the atomic bomb, he aslo said:

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein

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                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 17:35 -0800
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                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-28 23:07 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-28 23:43 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-28 23:46 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 00:08 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 00:13 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:26 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:37 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:51 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:59 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 06:17 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 06:30 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 08:33 -0500
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 11:58 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 12:01 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 13:20 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:24 -0500
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 15:02 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:37 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:59 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:25 -0500
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 14:41 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 16:04 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 20:47 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 21:02 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:38 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 15:08 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 15:38 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 23:02 -0400
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 20:22 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 20:40 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 20:58 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:43 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 10:38 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 12:55 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 11:02 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Jeffrey Bannister <jban48@pannelcamarena.org> - 2015-11-01 19:15 +0000
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 13:22 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 15:07 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 15:34 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 16:18 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 17:08 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 23:10 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 23:19 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 07:46 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 07:40 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:42 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:40 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 12:21 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-27 14:33 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 14:47 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 18:10 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 23:54 -0800
                on, re noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 12:16 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 12:55 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-10-23 14:00 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 14:42 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 19:12 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 03:12 -0400
      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 13:08 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-18 15:10 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 13:56 -0700
  Re: Why is the universe flat? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 12:49 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 13:50 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 16:45 -0500
  Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:39 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-10-19 14:23 -0700
      theodolites noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 19:13 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 10:17 -0700
        Re: Why is the universe flat? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-10-24 15:05 -0700
  Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 10:23 -0600
    Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 12:22 -0800

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