Re: Why is the universe flat?

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Date	2015-10-26 18:27 -0800
From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Why is the universe flat?
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Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> 
> On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 5:35:13 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > >
> > > On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 2:43:45 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 10:40:15 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sunday, October 25, 2015 at 3:03:05 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 10:56:18 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 11:51:55 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 9:01:07 AM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/23/15 10:54 AM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>    Background for you Ross
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>    Refraction by Lenses
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/refrn/Lesson-5/Refraction-by-Lenses
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>    Refraction and Lenses
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >http://www.bowlesphysics.com/images/AP_Physics_B_-_Refraction_and_Lenses.pdf
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>    Atmospheric refraction
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, I could already search for that, and I have a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > library here including some texts on optics, eg, "wave
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > optics" besides "geometrical optics".  (I've already
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been through uni. undergraduate physics courses,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with a mathematics degree.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >    I would like you to read these resources.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry Sam, I work for Uncle Al.  Get your own grad student.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a usenet funny - Sam:  that's about "wave
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > optics" AND "geometrical optics", and other usual
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting optical effects that yet fall under "to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be more fully explained".  Thank you, Fresnel and Land.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, here, for mathematical physics writ large, this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is about "infinity, mathematical, in physics".
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > infinity, mathematical, in physics does not...compute.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > are the laws of physics exist somewhere, someplace ...anyplace somewhere
> > > > > > > > > > > > > other than inside your mind?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > does evil exist as a force or a place somewhere out there somewhere??
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "infinity, mathematical, in physics" is just....a thought, ..it exist
> > > > > > > > > > > > > only in the mind...like evil.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > No, StarMaker, that is metaphysics, meaning actually
> > > > > > > > > > > > of morality, meaning not of physics, which is
> > > > > > > > > > > > scientific.  (There are scientific theories of
> > > > > > > > > > > > what and why people believe.)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm neutral (lawful good), evil doesn't enter into it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Infinity, on the other hand, is well nigh ubiquitous
> > > > > > > > > > > > in our field equations of physics for where it's been
> > > > > > > > > > > > carefully detailed in "normalization" and etcetera,
> > > > > > > > > > > > standard modeling of the "Dirac delta or impulse" and
> > > > > > > > > > > > etcetera, and otherwise out from the classical (where
> > > > > > > > > > > > Cauchy/Weierstrass already sufficiently formalized the
> > > > > > > > > > > > "differential", which some physicists may know as "raw",
> > > > > > > > > > > > or a "mathematical infinitesimal", for the "beyond the"
> > > > > > > > > > > > or "extra-" standard mathematics, rigorous and formal so
> > > > > > > > > > > > without equivocation and etcetera.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > ([Einstein quotes.])
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > This is science, don't hem while you haw.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You believe that math is a discovery, not an invention of man.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > What about 'the laws of physics', are they an invention of man or a
> > > > > > > > > > > discovery?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Or, is it as simple as...'people see what they want to see'.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Truth is discovered /
> > > > > > > > > > lies are invented /
> > > > > > > > > > when you discover a lie /
> > > > > > > > > > that's the truth
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > That's poetic, but also "truths" are invented,
> > > > > > > > > > sure.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > There's not so much a technical difference
> > > > > > > > > > between inventing one's mental machinery
> > > > > > > > > > and discovering it's the truth.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Really though I think you'd be more interested
> > > > > > > > > > in possibilities in mathematics for physics
> > > > > > > > > > than the semantics of "discovery vs. invention"
> > > > > > > > > > when those aren't exclusive.  That's not so much
> > > > > > > > > > a wild goose chase, as chasing a goose (or "snipe").
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > (You can leave that to mathematics.  Also that
> > > > > > > > > > doesn't interfere with your cognitive semantics
> > > > > > > > > > about knowledge and its discovery, or what you
> > > > > > > > > > establish via action.)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I don't undersatnd what you are saying...
> > > > > > > > > you simply have a perpective of the world
> > > > > > > > > where you see math and laws of physics as
> > > > > > > > > somewhere out there...on what planet, Pluto?
> > > > > > > > > Mars...under a rock somewhere? Where is it that these
> > > > > > > > > math rules and laws of physics exist at? maybe on an asteroid,
> > > > > > > > > a comet...inside a star? It has to be somewhere besides...in you mind.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But where??? where is it at?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yous are no different than people who believe in flying saucers from
> > > > > > > > > outer space or, ghosts.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There are just inventions of the mind...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And I cannot believe people 'still' hang to a guy born 347 BC named Plato.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Plato invented the inventions of the mind.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'll take it a step further..
> > > > > > > > looking at it in reverse...
> > > > > > > > the laws of physics
> > > > > > > > cannot explain...people,
> > > > > > > > math cannot explain people.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Things that don't exist cannot explain that which does.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > People exist on earth. Where do the laws of physics exist? What place in the universe?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Answer: There is no place...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > it exist only in the mind.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So Starmaker and HVAC are the same?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "A Theory of Mind", and there are various of
> > > > > > > those, may be an enlightened personal philosophy
> > > > > > > (and it's not a lack thereof).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The field of cognition as of beliefs / desires /
> > > > > > > motivations in a usual model of sentience , in
> > > > > > > part explains people.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We're scientists.  We know that science informs
> > > > > > > us, including that bad science misinforms (that's
> > > > > > > quantitative).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here, mathematics is established via proof, logical
> > > > > > > proof.  From the foundations of a mathematical logic,
> > > > > > > mathematical relations _are established as facts,
> > > > > > > then physicists know their _model of physics_ is
> > > > > > > a mathematical model where the mathematics if fixed,
> > > > > > > mathematics is never wrong, only the model can be
> > > > > > > wrong.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is familiar from a usual hallway quote or classroom
> > > > > > > quip with "quantum mechanics is never wrong", qualifiedly,
> > > > > > > "if you can find an error in quantum mechanics we can publish
> > > > > > > it and get famous."   Its the brass ring, but generally
> > > > > > > also considered somewhat difficult to achieve (learning to
> > > > > > > understand quantum mechanics).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Our physical model has components seemingly / obviously
> > > > > > > very well suited to utilize a mathematical theory of
> > > > > > > "real" (for the concrete) mathematical infinitesimals,
> > > > > > > here, for as of the differential (often "dx").
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then, where the grail is "solving for the path integral",
> > > > > > > it is of the consequences of all configuration of
> > > > > > > experiment, then for that a mathematical physics would
> > > > > > > be needing infinity, if it's in the physics (really).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The universe is infinite or we'd be a point (all
> > > > > > > one reference frame).  That we aren't, is that it is.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does Einstein have enough quotable material, that
> > > > > > > you can find any truth you need from him?  (It's a
> > > > > > > start.)  Luckily his imagination was unbounded.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You don't have to be and Einstein to have unbounded imagination...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mathematics is just a walt disney cartoon like mickey mouse.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Somebody draws a few lines, calls it a mouse..
> > > > > > and it takes a life of it's own.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now you have disney land and kids around the world
> > > > > > want to see micky mouse.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But it's just a few lines on paper...a cartoon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mathematics was around before Plato was born...
> > > > > > by the time Plato...'discovered it', it already took a life
> > > > > > of it's own.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think you're just making a mountain out of a mathematical
> > > > > > infinitesimals molehill.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, you're OK with going back to rocks and sticks?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If we go back to rocks and sticks, it will be the 'scientific community' doing...
> > > >
> > > > thank Einstein...he invented the atomic bomb, he aslo said:
> > > >
> > > > "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
> > >
> > > Sure, I already knew Einstein's quote when I wrote that.
> > >
> > > The point is that as a novel mathematical tool, in
> > > the very foundations of continuum analysis, which
> > > is totally useful for the "continuums" of the
> > > "continuous fields" of mathematical physics,
> > > automatically equips theory with the feature.
> >
> >
> > You sound like you're talking about this...
> > https://www.youtube....
> 
> No idea what you're talking about.


I'm talking about what you are talking about..."The Mandelbrot Set". It
is your "continuums".

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                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-23 22:56 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 23:35 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-24 22:43 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-25 14:03 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-25 15:17 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 10:40 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 11:00 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 13:43 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 14:44 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 15:05 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 17:35 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 17:38 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 18:27 -0800
                Universe is curved locally, seems flat over teraparsecs noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 18:40 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 19:51 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 20:03 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 20:26 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 20:34 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 20:42 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 21:00 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 05:42 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 10:01 -0500
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 08:16 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 08:24 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-27 14:26 -0800
                inside & outside of cell noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 17:11 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 19:36 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 15:44 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-28 23:07 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-28 23:43 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-28 23:46 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 00:08 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 00:13 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:26 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:37 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:51 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:59 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 06:17 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 06:30 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 08:33 -0500
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 11:58 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 12:01 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 13:20 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:24 -0500
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 15:02 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:37 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:59 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:25 -0500
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 14:41 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 16:04 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 20:47 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 21:02 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:38 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 15:08 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 15:38 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 23:02 -0400
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 20:22 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 20:40 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 20:58 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:43 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 10:38 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 12:55 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 11:02 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Jeffrey Bannister <jban48@pannelcamarena.org> - 2015-11-01 19:15 +0000
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 13:22 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 15:07 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 15:34 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 16:18 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 17:08 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 23:10 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 23:19 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 07:46 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 07:40 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:42 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:40 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 12:21 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-27 14:33 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 14:47 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 18:10 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 23:54 -0800
                on, re noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 12:16 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 12:55 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-10-23 14:00 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 14:42 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 19:12 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 03:12 -0400
      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 13:08 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-18 15:10 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 13:56 -0700
  Re: Why is the universe flat? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 12:49 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 13:50 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 16:45 -0500
  Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:39 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-10-19 14:23 -0700
      theodolites noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 19:13 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 10:17 -0700
        Re: Why is the universe flat? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-10-24 15:05 -0700
  Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 10:23 -0600
    Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 12:22 -0800

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