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Re: Why is the universe flat?

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Date 2015-10-21 21:51 -0700
From The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Why is the universe flat?
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Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 7:59:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 1:12:36 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 9:06:19 PM UTC-7, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 4:55:35 PM UTC-7, noTthaTguY wrote:
> > > > > > > expanding Universe has long been passe',
> > > > > > > since the plasma cosmology of Alfven has shown that a)
> > > > > > > most of Universe is plasma
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > Zwicky's ''tired light'' hypothesis. We also test for power-law
> > > > > > > > >  > dependencies of the aging rate on redshift. The best-fit exponent for
> > > > > > > > >  > these models is consistent with the expected 1/(1 รพ z) factor.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A supernova is quite extromissive, including
> > > > > > > > with the shock front.  (Which is quite deformed,
> > > > > > > > whether space is flat or not.)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Space-time curvature is just a notational relic.
> > > > > > > > The effects are still the same, and also it's
> > > > > > > > still the Dirac positronic sea or aether (which
> > > > > > > > experiment also supports and yes it does.)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We need mathematics of infinities/infinitesimals
> > > > > > > > and the real effects in the numbers to reduce these
> > > > > > > > "systems of numerical appeasement" to "systems
> > > > > > > > in numbers".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > These "systems of numerical appeasement" are
> > > > > > uncomfortable accommodations of physicists that
> > > > > > would rather expect reduction and spareness of
> > > > > > framework.  These "fudge factors", here as the
> > > > > > placement of the cosmological constant and what
> > > > > > its value and import is in projection, are an
> > > > > > arithmetic kludge to match data to model.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Systems of numerical appeasement", often ad-hoc
> > > > > > and particular to configuration of experiment,
> > > > > > find themselves somehow systematically reducing to
> > > > > > features of the numbers, that in the interest
> > > > > > of conservation of "numerical and mathematical
> > > > > > resources" (the principle of conservation of
> > > > > > numerical content), are eventually reduced to
> > > > > > more "fundamental" numerical frameworks and as
> > > > > > of effect in numbers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is a role for effects at the demarcator
> > > > > > between continuous fields and discrete events
> > > > > > in them, that of the infinitesimal composition
> > > > > > of continua as of points, collected.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Point!
> > > > >
> > > > > " ... find themselves somehow systematically reducing to
> > > > > features of the numbers ...."
> > > > >
> > > > > Examples (of successful reductions to the fundamental)
> > > > > include "Maxwell equations" and "E = mc^2".
> > > >
> > > > Just studying one google page result is an example of successful reductions to the fundamental.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There's a perceived need, for mathematical physics, of
> > > > > these features of real mathematical infinitesimals
> > > > > that they are.
> > > >
> > > > There is nothing REAL about "real mathematical infinitesimals".
> > > >
> > > > The chance that real mathematical infinitesimals is real is...infinitesimal.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The laws of physics is not real
> > > > The laws of nature are not real
> > > >
> > > > math does not exist anywhere out there...it's not real.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Have you tried learning to play a guitar?
> > >
> > > "Mathematical Platonists" have mathematical objects
> > > as real, even concrete (there are subcamps in Mathematical
> > > Platonism, but that the numbers are "real" or "exist"
> > > regardless our formation of them).
> >
> >
> > Well, can you tell me where do they exist at, what place are they at?
> 
> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/platonism-mathematics/
> 
> How do we categorize experiments and ultimate or
> penultimate results of both the absolute and relative
> that experimental data has integer or fractional
> factors that seems to appear and disappear over the
> bounds of the range of the experiment. "?"
> 
> These are to be considered for what effect to the model
> there would be of a numerical or mathematical effect,
> basically building the observation/measurement as the
> action of "counting" over these "numbered" fields
> (vector, force fields), as that these factors would
> follow or be explained (falsifiable predictions for
> hypothesis testing of the scientific method).
> 
> That's defensively written, here with this admission
> that aprocryphally infinities and infinitesimals are
> ubiquitous in cosmological and atomic scale physical
> systems.  As example, framed in the context of
> "normalization", that is in a sense "de-re-normalization",
> with the maintenance in variables for cancellation of
> these "infinite" terms (and their numerical approximations
> and the conditions under "linearization" as a numerical
> method feature with "normalization") - replaced with some
> infinity or infinitesimal, what other factors like
> Einstein's cosmological constant or Planck's big C and
> small c, are infinities or their inverses?  (Or vice versa?)
> 
> This is where, otherwise the "real infinities" as they are,
> have not yet been found to be of, say, our transfinite
> cardinals that otherwise we have in terms of "counting"
> (which is not the same thing as "numbering" which is more
> fundamental).  Here, if we have some putative object or
> structural feature of what that infinite value would be
> under the condition of what detection/measurement/observation
> or the measurement effect has:  where is the measured data
> that is off so thrown out as to that the interaction of
> an otherwise closed system by measurement, has these integer
> or fractional ratios that may be accounted for, by features
> of a numerical "infinity", as a scalar.
> 
> This is where the line between (0,0) and (1,1) has area
> underneath of 1/2, and the points are all one-sided on
> through in the line, then that as each point gets to
> have both sides on the line, the area under the function
> defined on the integers, of the "constant monotonically
> (infinitesimally) increasing in the range from 0 to 1",
> _doubles_ the area, as the feature (or numerical effect).
> 
> "Mathematical Platonism" isn't necessarily part of a
> numerical model of this construction of a model of
> the real numbers suitable for standard and extra
> "continuum infinitesimal analysis", though it neatly
> is a part:  here given features of the scalar (infinite)
> under normalization/linearization and otherwise action:
> what comes to mind in the experimental data that is
> already there, in addition to the electron/photon
> "integer" deflection and dark matter/energy "fractional"
> ratios, other "integer" and "fractional" corrections. "?"


You're a...platonists.


I notice people get confused when they mix Philosophy with Science and Math.


Platonism in the Philosophy of Mathematics
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/platonism-mathematics/

Why did they remove the word  Philosophy "http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/platonism-mathematics/" from the link?

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                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:43 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 10:38 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 12:55 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 11:02 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Jeffrey Bannister <jban48@pannelcamarena.org> - 2015-11-01 19:15 +0000
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 13:22 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 15:07 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 15:34 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 16:18 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 17:08 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 23:10 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 23:19 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 07:46 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 07:40 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:42 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:40 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 12:21 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-27 14:33 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 14:47 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 18:10 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 23:54 -0800
                on, re noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 12:16 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 12:55 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-10-23 14:00 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 14:42 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 19:12 -0700
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      Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-18 15:10 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 13:56 -0700
  Re: Why is the universe flat? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 12:49 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 13:50 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 16:45 -0500
  Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:39 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-10-19 14:23 -0700
      theodolites noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 19:13 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 10:17 -0700
        Re: Why is the universe flat? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-10-24 15:05 -0700
  Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 10:23 -0600
    Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 12:22 -0800

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