Re: What is Forth anyway?

Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Date	2017-06-05 10:01 -0700
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Subject	Re: What is Forth anyway?
From	gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com>

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On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 11:10:19 AM UTC-4, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 5:44:52 AM UTC-7, Rudy Velthuis wrote:
> > hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > > For a long time, I thought of Forth as being an over-grown
> > > macro-assembler. Most macro-assemblers have a rather prickly macro
> > > language, but Forth is much easier and much more powerful. Also, the
> > > data-stack provides a convenient way to pass parameters in and out of
> > > functions --- much better than using registers, and then having to
> > > save and restore them to the return-stack --- you have the same
> > > number of memory accesses, but much cleaner code, although you do
> > > have to dedicate a register to the data-stack-pointer.
> > 
> > But it also requires quite a lot of stack juggling, which is not
> > required with registers. I am not sure if you have the same number of
> > memory accesses without a stack, especially if dat can be passed in
> > registers directly.
> 
> Thank you very much, Captain Obvious!
> 
> You are the same guy who was previously trying to teach me how COW (copy-on-write) works, on the assumption that I was totally ignorant of the subject --- if you had looked at my STRING-STACK.4TH first, you would have noticed that COW is the primary feature, but of course you didn't have time to learn anything about the subject before commenting on it --- the internet is full of people who want to assume stupidity and ignorance on the part of everybody else, so they can promote themselves into a teacher position!
> 
> > Doesn't take away that the apparently prevailing notion here that
> > libraries are useless because they contain too much stuff you don't
> > need smells much like a NIH syndrome.
> 
> I'm dubious of the need for a standard Forth on micro-controllers, because the programs aren't going to be portable anyway due to hardware dependency.
> 
> I think there is a need for a standard Forth on desktop-computers though --- that is what Straight Forth is intended to be.
> 
> In Charles Moore's day (up until 1982 when he got kicked out Forth Inc.), there was little or no distinction between micro-controllers and desktop-computers. The same processors (6502 and Z80) were used in both. Operating systems, cheerfully allowed the application programmer to access the hardware directly for speed.
> 
> All of those MS-DOS compatible computers needed to be compatible at the hardware level, using the same video cards, etc. --- that was pretty primitive, and I don't know of anybody who is nostalgic for MS-DOS today ---
> some folks are nostalgic for the Commodore-64, but that was a game computer, and every programmer wrote games as a teenager.

http://www.happstack.com/page/view-page-slug/5/happstack-philosophy

the 100 node app thing is still something it seems only java cancer is trying to attack
(unless you count plan9)
www.hypertable.org
https://spark.apache.org/
http://mesos.apache.org/

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What is Forth anyway? Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2017-06-03 20:31 -0700
  Re: What is Forth anyway? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-06-03 23:05 -0700
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      Re: What is Forth anyway? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 03:39 -0700
  Re: What is Forth anyway? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-06-04 03:17 -0700
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    Re: What is Forth anyway? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-06-05 02:38 -0500
  Re: What is Forth anyway? NN <november.nihal@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 05:27 -0700
  Re: What is Forth anyway? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-06-04 23:07 +1000
    Re: What is Forth anyway? Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-06-04 19:12 +0100
      Re: What is Forth anyway? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-06-04 12:55 -0700
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        Re: What is Forth anyway? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-06-05 15:54 +1000
          Re: What is Forth anyway? Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-06-05 02:05 -0700
      Re: What is Forth anyway? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 17:33 -0700
        Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-05 12:54 +0000
    Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-04 22:14 +0000
      Re: What is Forth anyway? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-06-04 16:39 -0700
        Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-05 12:44 +0000
          Re: What is Forth anyway? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-06-05 08:10 -0700
            Re: What is Forth anyway? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-06-05 10:01 -0700
            Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-05 19:29 +0000
              Re: What is Forth anyway? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-06-06 03:44 -0500
                Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-07 19:26 +0000
                Re: What is Forth anyway? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-06-08 02:06 -0500
                Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-09 17:09 +0000
            Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-05 19:41 +0000
              Re: What is Forth anyway? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 02:19 -0700
                Re: What is Forth anyway? Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-06-06 10:41 +0100
                Re: What is Forth anyway? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 12:45 +0300
                Re: What is Forth anyway? Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-06-06 11:23 +0100
                Re: What is Forth anyway? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 13:30 +0300
                Re: What is Forth anyway? Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-06-06 12:55 +0100
                Re: What is Forth anyway? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 14:57 +0300
                Re: What is Forth anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-06-06 13:34 +0000
                Re: What is Forth anyway? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 17:07 +0300
                Re: What is Forth anyway? Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 16:51 +0200
                Re: What is Forth anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-06-06 16:32 +0000
                Re: What is Forth anyway? Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 01:37 +0200
                Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-07 19:29 +0000
                Re: What is Forth anyway? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-06-07 14:56 -0500
                Re: What is Forth anyway? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-06-06 04:48 -0500
                Re: What is Forth anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-06-06 10:10 +0000
                Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-07 19:28 +0000
                Re: What is Forth anyway? Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-06-07 14:54 -0500
                Re: What is Forth anyway? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 19:42 -0700
                Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-09 17:12 +0000
      Re: What is Forth anyway? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 17:40 -0700
        Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-05 12:51 +0000
          Re: What is Forth anyway? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-06-05 17:19 -0700
            Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-07 19:32 +0000
              Re: What is Forth anyway? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 16:50 -0700
                Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-09 17:15 +0000
                Re: What is Forth anyway? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 13:04 -0700
                Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-09 21:27 +0000
          Re: What is Forth anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-06-06 10:19 +0000
            Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-07 19:38 +0000
              Re: What is Forth anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-06-08 11:52 +0000
                Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-09 17:23 +0000
  Re: What is Forth anyway? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-06-05 07:16 -0700
  Re: What is Forth anyway? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-06-05 07:35 -0700

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