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| From | "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: What is Forth anyway? |
| Date | 2017-06-05 15:54 +1000 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <oh2rl8$1t4b$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
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Howerd wrote: > > On 6/4/2017 14:07, HAA wrote: > > > Brad Eckert wrote: > > >> ... > > >> Where to go with Forth? You might as well ask where to go with religion. You don't > > >> need one true religion any more than you need one true computer language. I'd say > > >> fork the hell out of ANS and make it yours. Screw compatibility. If your dialect > > >> can be arrived at (however tortuously) by 2012x, you're golden. > > > > > > Chuck might agree: > > > > > > "Portability is not important. Portability is not possible. Real applications are > > > closely coupled to hardware. Change the platform and all the code changes. If it > > > didn't, you wouldn't have changed the platform. To abstract the problem from the > > > hardware > > > requires massive software like Windows, that's a permanent tax on all applications > > > to save some one-time programming." > ... > Chuck's comment "Portability is not important. Portability is not possible" requires > context. Certainly this applies to Chuck developing the GA144 ( more or less on his own > ). > I would say "Portability is incredibly important, and it's achievable, but at some > cost". The context was stated - 'change the platform and all the code changes'. Is there any doubt OS, languages, programs are massive and unwieldly, all because they need layers of abstraction to cover the fact the underlying hardware may be different. In Forth's case it is worse because it's impossible to enforce a standard. You don't even get the large crappy programs that C or Fortran produce. What you get is years of haggling over standards that nobody can win.
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What is Forth anyway? Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2017-06-03 20:31 -0700
Re: What is Forth anyway? lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-06-03 23:05 -0700
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Re: What is Forth anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-06-06 16:32 +0000
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Re: What is Forth anyway? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 17:40 -0700
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Re: What is Forth anyway? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-06-05 17:19 -0700
Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-07 19:32 +0000
Re: What is Forth anyway? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 16:50 -0700
Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-09 17:15 +0000
Re: What is Forth anyway? Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 13:04 -0700
Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-09 21:27 +0000
Re: What is Forth anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-06-06 10:19 +0000
Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-07 19:38 +0000
Re: What is Forth anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-06-08 11:52 +0000
Re: What is Forth anyway? "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-06-09 17:23 +0000
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