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Re: SQL filesortcc question

From James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: SQL filesortcc question
Date 2015-07-29 16:33 -0400
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On 07/29/2015 04:07 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
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> No, I don't think so. I really can't think of any that are actually 
> worth anything *to me*. I don't find myself thinking "Darn it! If only I 
> didn't have to be portable, I could use an int_least32_t here!" I just 
> don't. ... 

The size-named types are one my favorite additions (though I dislike the
clumsy naming convention). I frequently find myself often wanting for
example, a type that is, portably, "the fastest signed type with at
least 16 bits", and annoyed by the fact that C90 has no such type.The
key difference is that I respond to this by saying to those who want me
to write code for them, that they should get a compiler that supports
C99 (which, simply because they keep their software up-to-date, they
already have) and that they should give me permission to use C99 (which
they haven't - but mainly through inaction, not as a matter of
deliberate choice). You respond by saying "I can't use these features".
Neither of us actually gets to use the new features :-(, but you seem to
prefer it that way.

> ... I see all you folks using these features all the time, and you 
> all seem to think they're terribly important, and that's fine, but not 
> everybody holds that view. I think they're trivial and pointless. And, 
> when push comes to shove, let's face it - if portability *isn't* a 
> concern, why use C at all? C++ has more toys.

I don't have permission to use C++ for MODIS code; I'm required to use
it for NPP VIIRS code. C++ has lots of nice features I want to use, and
in principle many of those features should make it easier to write code
that is more maintainable, at least if they're used right (a major
caveat). However, either I'm getting dumber in my old age (not
implausible), or that promise has not been achieved, at least not in
code base I'm working on.

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  Re: SQL filesortcc question James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-15 17:15 -0400
    Re: SQL filesortcc question doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2015-07-15 23:22 +0000
    Re: SQL filesortcc question jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-07-16 18:35 +0200
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        Re: SQL filesortcc question jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-07-16 19:38 +0200
          Re: SQL filesortcc question doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2015-07-16 19:48 +0000
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2015-07-16 23:52 +0000
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> - 2015-07-17 22:22 +0000
                Re: SQL filesortcc question James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-17 18:44 -0400
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-18 11:13 +1200
              Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-16 22:06 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2015-07-16 23:52 +0000
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-17 01:24 +0100
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        Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-17 09:07 +1200
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        Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-20 11:13 -0700
          Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-20 19:27 +0100
            Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-21 08:46 +1200
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-28 14:16 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-28 04:49 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-27 23:25 -0500
                Re: SQL filesortcc question raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-07-28 09:32 +0000
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-27 22:33 -0400
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-28 04:57 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-28 16:38 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-28 00:51 -0400
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-28 07:06 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-28 20:32 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-28 10:02 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-28 22:08 +1200
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-29 22:12 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-29 23:50 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-30 00:13 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-30 01:49 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-30 02:07 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-30 03:04 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-30 08:25 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-30 09:15 -0700
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-30 15:12 -0400
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-08-09 14:23 +0000
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-02 06:35 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-02 19:11 +0200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-02 10:28 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-03 09:04 +0200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-03 00:19 -0700
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-03 07:03 -0700
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-02 06:48 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-04 08:00 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-04 08:52 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-05 11:56 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-08-04 23:45 -0400
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-05 08:45 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-05 12:00 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-01 13:17 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-08-01 16:11 -0400
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-01 14:00 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-02 10:40 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-01 16:20 -0700
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-22 05:39 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-01 13:51 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-02 10:38 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-01 16:14 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-02 01:15 +0200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-01 16:24 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-02 02:32 +0200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-02 12:57 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-01 22:23 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-02 01:21 -0500
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-02 14:05 -0500
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-01 23:56 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-08-09 14:25 +0000
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-30 14:19 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-29 19:53 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-29 23:45 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-30 04:22 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-30 13:13 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-30 13:27 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-30 13:57 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-30 14:11 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-30 14:39 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-30 15:05 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-30 14:03 +0100
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-30 22:28 +1200
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                Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-03 08:02 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-03 08:33 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-08-03 20:50 -0400
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-04 04:52 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-04 06:08 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-04 14:20 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-04 06:45 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-05 12:15 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-03 19:09 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-04 06:09 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-04 14:40 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-05 13:24 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-05 21:51 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-09-05 17:16 -0400
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-05 19:59 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-06 07:51 +0100
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-06 17:32 -0700
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          Re: SQL filesortcc question raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-07-22 15:14 +0000
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              Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-25 17:10 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-26 13:29 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-25 23:51 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-26 20:24 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-26 03:02 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-27 09:22 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-26 15:04 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-27 10:32 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-26 16:49 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-27 21:46 +1200
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-27 04:53 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-26 14:58 -0700
                Re: SQL filesortcc question Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-26 15:15 -0700
      Re: SQL filesortcc question doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2015-07-16 19:47 +0000
  Re: SQL filesortcc question Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-16 09:55 +1200

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