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Re: Another Preview Question

From Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.apps, comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: Another Preview Question
Date 2013-11-26 16:12 +1300
Organization Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID <261120131612550382%YourName@YourISP.com> (permalink)
References <201311251458474119-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> <261120131321286361%YourName@YourISP.com> <2013112518125523801-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>

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In article <2013112518125523801-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2013-11-26 00:21:28 +0000, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> said:
> > In article <201311251458474119-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
> > <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> With my upgrade from OSX 10.6.8 (SL) to OSX 10.9 there were some
> >> conspicuous changes to Preview some of which I have been educated on
> >> and I am getting used to. What I would like to know is, when did
> >> Preview lose the "Move" tool, or the "hand" for navigating around a
> >> document that is zoomed in on.
> >> 
> >> It has vanished and is not in the options for building a custom tool
> >> bar. What happened? and are there any solutions to getting this tool
> >> resurrected?
> >> 
> >> I know it is possible to navigate zoomed in image files via the scroll
> >> wheel or the position sliders, but with PDFs opened in Preview even
> >> that option is gone.
> > 
> > Assuming the PDF is bigger than the windows, then the arrow keys on the
> > keyboard might work, but I don't see why the scrollbars aren't there
> > (they are stupidly hidden these days of course).
> 
> Just checked. The arrow keys work as you suggested.
> 
> I just don't get this Apple obsession with trying to fix stuff that 
> ain't broke. It results in a worse user experience than existed in 
> earlier versions of a particular application. Change for change's sake 
> is not a good philosophy, neither is the minimal approach the best one, 
> even if it is a Jony Ive principle.

The disappearing scrollbars are a stupid decision that pre-dates Ive
direct interference, although. he might have been involved indirectly.

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Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-25 14:58 -0800
  Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-25 23:51 +0000
    Re: Another Preview Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-26 07:07 +0000
      Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 00:56 -0800
      Re: Another Preview Question Philo D <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> - 2013-11-26 06:24 -0700
        Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 07:47 -0800
        Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 14:57 +1300
          Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:21 -0800
        Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-27 18:59 +1300
          Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-27 01:00 -0800
            Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 04:08 -0500
              Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 23:21 +1300
          Re: Another Preview Question Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 11:34 -0800
            Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 08:53 +1300
              Re: Another Preview Question Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 11:59 -0800
                Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 13:13 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 16:24 +1300
              Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-27 23:20 +0000
                Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 13:10 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-27 19:19 -0500
              Re: Another Preview Question Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-28 17:29 +0000
                Re: Another Preview Question Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2013-11-30 19:37 -0800
            Re: Another Preview Question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-27 21:33 +0000
      Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 07:24 -0700
        Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 14:57 +1300
          Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:18 -0800
          Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 21:12 -0700
            Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 23:19 +1300
              Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-27 07:41 -0700
            Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Kiraly) - 2013-11-27 19:54 +0000
              Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-27 13:51 -0700
                Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-27 14:40 -0800
                Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-27 23:22 +0000
                Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 18:52 -0500
                Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-28 05:17 +0000
                Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 19:17 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 21:34 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 08:18 +0000
                Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 21:38 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 14:32 +0000
                Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:45 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 09:24 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-28 15:31 -0500
                Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 20:50 +0000
                Re: Another Preview Question gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 13:39 -0800
                Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-28 18:47 -0500
                Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:33 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:53 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-12-01 09:55 -0500
                Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-01 15:05 -0500
                Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-28 21:19 -0500
                Re: Another Preview Question gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 13:39 -0800
                Re: Another Preview Question gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 13:39 -0800
                Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:16 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:53 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-28 23:09 +0000
                Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 15:41 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:24 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 20:03 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 20:03 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 23:36 +0000
                Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 09:23 +1300
              Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 17:21 -0500
                Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-27 14:44 -0800
                Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 18:21 -0500
                Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 16:24 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 18:10 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-28 03:01 -0500
                Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 21:34 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 09:21 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:53 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:14 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 20:03 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-30 09:38 +1300
                Re: Another Preview Question Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-29 08:14 +0100
              Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 13:17 +1300
              Re: Another Preview Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-28 01:12 +0000
                Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Kiraly) - 2013-11-28 23:53 +0000
                Re: Another Preview Question Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-29 08:08 +0100
  Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-26 13:21 +1300
    Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-25 18:12 -0800
      Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-26 16:12 +1300
      Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-26 14:04 +0000
        Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 07:44 -0800
          Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 08:53 -0700
            Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 09:48 -0800
              Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 11:01 -0700
  Re: Another Preview Question Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-26 20:51 +0100
    Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-26 15:15 -0500
      Re: Another Preview Question <henry@att.net> - 2013-11-26 12:35 -0800
        Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 14:15 -0800
          Re: Another Preview Question Joe Di Domenico <joedid@invalid.com> - 2013-11-26 18:14 -0500
            Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:07 -0800
          Re: Another Preview Question dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-27 12:21 +1300
            Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:16 -0800
              Re: Another Preview Question dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-28 13:45 +1300

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