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| Started by | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| First post | 2013-11-25 14:58 -0800 |
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Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-25 14:58 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-25 23:51 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-26 07:07 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 00:56 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Philo D <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> - 2013-11-26 06:24 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 07:47 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 14:57 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:21 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-27 18:59 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-27 01:00 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 04:08 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 23:21 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 11:34 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 08:53 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 11:59 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 13:13 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 16:24 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-27 23:20 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 13:10 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-27 19:19 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-28 17:29 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2013-11-30 19:37 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-27 21:33 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 07:24 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 14:57 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:18 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 21:12 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-27 23:19 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-27 07:41 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Kiraly) - 2013-11-27 19:54 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-27 13:51 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-27 14:40 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-27 23:22 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 18:52 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-28 05:17 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 19:17 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 21:34 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 08:18 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 21:38 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 14:32 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:45 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 09:24 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-28 15:31 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 20:50 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 13:39 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-28 18:47 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:33 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:53 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-12-01 09:55 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-01 15:05 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-28 21:19 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 13:39 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 13:39 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:16 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:53 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-28 23:09 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 15:41 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:24 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 20:03 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 20:03 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-28 23:36 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 09:23 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 17:21 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-27 14:44 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-27 18:21 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 16:24 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 18:10 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-28 03:01 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-28 21:34 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 09:21 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 11:53 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-29 18:14 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-29 20:03 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-30 09:38 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-29 08:14 +0100
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-28 13:17 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-28 01:12 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Kiraly) - 2013-11-28 23:53 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-29 08:08 +0100
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-26 13:21 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-25 18:12 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-26 16:12 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-11-26 14:04 +0000
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 07:44 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 08:53 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 09:48 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-26 11:01 -0700
Re: Another Preview Question Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-26 20:51 +0100
Re: Another Preview Question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-11-26 15:15 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question <henry@att.net> - 2013-11-26 12:35 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 14:15 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question Joe Di Domenico <joedid@invalid.com> - 2013-11-26 18:14 -0500
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:07 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-27 12:21 +1300
Re: Another Preview Question Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-26 18:16 -0800
Re: Another Preview Question dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-28 13:45 +1300
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-25 18:12 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013112518125523801-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #19599 |
On 2013-11-26 00:21:28 +0000, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> said:
> In article <201311251458474119-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>> With my upgrade from OSX 10.6.8 (SL) to OSX 10.9 there were some
>> conspicuous changes to Preview some of which I have been educated on
>> and I am getting used to. What I would like to know is, when did
>> Preview lose the "Move" tool, or the "hand" for navigating around a
>> document that is zoomed in on.
>>
>> It has vanished and is not in the options for building a custom tool
>> bar. What happened? and are there any solutions to getting this tool
>> resurrected?
>>
>> I know it is possible to navigate zoomed in image files via the scroll
>> wheel or the position sliders, but with PDFs opened in Preview even
>> that option is gone.
>
> Assuming the PDF is bigger than the windows, then the arrow keys on the
> keyboard might work, but I don't see why the scrollbars aren't there
> (they are stupidly hidden these days of course).
Just checked. The arrow keys work as you suggested.
I just don't get this Apple obsession with trying to fix stuff that
ain't broke. It results in a worse user experience than existed in
earlier versions of a particular application. Change for change's sake
is not a good philosophy, neither is the minimal approach the best one,
even if it is a Jony Ive principle.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 16:12 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <261120131612550382%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #19602 |
In article <2013112518125523801-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2013-11-26 00:21:28 +0000, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> said:
> > In article <201311251458474119-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck
> > <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> >
> >> With my upgrade from OSX 10.6.8 (SL) to OSX 10.9 there were some
> >> conspicuous changes to Preview some of which I have been educated on
> >> and I am getting used to. What I would like to know is, when did
> >> Preview lose the "Move" tool, or the "hand" for navigating around a
> >> document that is zoomed in on.
> >>
> >> It has vanished and is not in the options for building a custom tool
> >> bar. What happened? and are there any solutions to getting this tool
> >> resurrected?
> >>
> >> I know it is possible to navigate zoomed in image files via the scroll
> >> wheel or the position sliders, but with PDFs opened in Preview even
> >> that option is gone.
> >
> > Assuming the PDF is bigger than the windows, then the arrow keys on the
> > keyboard might work, but I don't see why the scrollbars aren't there
> > (they are stupidly hidden these days of course).
>
> Just checked. The arrow keys work as you suggested.
>
> I just don't get this Apple obsession with trying to fix stuff that
> ain't broke. It results in a worse user experience than existed in
> earlier versions of a particular application. Change for change's sake
> is not a good philosophy, neither is the minimal approach the best one,
> even if it is a Jony Ive principle.
The disappearing scrollbars are a stupid decision that pre-dates Ive
direct interference, although. he might have been involved indirectly.
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| From | me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 14:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l729pf$vdf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #19602 |
In comp.sys.mac.system Savageduck <savageduck1@{removespam}me.com> wrote:
> I just don't get this Apple obsession with trying to fix stuff that
> ain't broke.
They want you to buy a trackpad.
--
K.
Lang may your lum reek.
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 07:44 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013112607445497142-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #19609 |
On 2013-11-26 14:04:31 +0000, me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) said:
> In comp.sys.mac.system Savageduck <savageduck1@{removespam}me.com> wrote:
>> I just don't get this Apple obsession with trying to fix stuff that
>> ain't broke.
>
> They want you to buy a trackpad.
They might want me to buy a trackpad, but my input devices of choice
remain a MS Trackball optical and a Wacom Intuos 4. A trackpad does not
provide the precision and ease of interaction of those devices, and I
have no interest in learning a bizarre set of gestures.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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| From | Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 08:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <261120130853045358%foo@bar.com> |
| In reply to | #19612 |
In article <2013112607445497142-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> They might want me to buy a trackpad, but my input devices of choice
> remain a MS Trackball optical and a Wacom Intuos 4. A trackpad does not
> provide the precision and ease of interaction of those devices, and I
> have no interest in learning a bizarre set of gestures.
They're not bizarre at all. ;)
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 09:48 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013112609482441515-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #19614 |
On 2013-11-26 15:53:04 +0000, Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> said:
> In article <2013112607445497142-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>> They might want me to buy a trackpad, but my input devices of choice
>> remain a MS Trackball optical and a Wacom Intuos 4. A trackpad does not
>> provide the precision and ease of interaction of those devices, and I
>> have no interest in learning a bizarre set of gestures.
>
> They're not bizarre at all. ;)
What!!
Apple is discriminating against the "digitally" impaired. I was never
able to (or truly wanted to) engage in Vulcan salutes, or stand on my
head while moving my big toe in concert with my left ring finger and
nose across a trackpad to perform a task which has been simple to
execute in the past.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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| From | Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 11:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <261120131101519010%foo@bar.com> |
| In reply to | #19617 |
In article <2013112609482441515-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> >> They might want me to buy a trackpad, but my input devices of
> >> choice remain a MS Trackball optical and a Wacom Intuos 4. A
> >> trackpad does not provide the precision and ease of interaction of
> >> those devices, and I have no interest in learning a bizarre set of
> >> gestures.
> >
> > They're not bizarre at all. ;)
>
> What!! Apple is discriminating against the "digitally" impaired. I
> was never able to (or truly wanted to) engage in Vulcan salutes, or
> stand on my head while moving my big toe in concert with my left ring
> finger and nose across a trackpad to perform a task which has been
> simple to execute in the past.
Me neither, but I am able to swipe one, two, three, or even four
fingers across a track pad, and I'm able to even move my thumb and
forefinger together or apart. I can even tap the pad with my
forefinger and middle finger simultaneously.
No need for head standing, nor use of toes or noses.
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 20:51 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <gmafma-t091.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #19597 |
Savageduck wrote: > I know it is possible to navigate zoomed in image files via the scroll > wheel or the position sliders, but with PDFs opened in Preview even > that option is gone. Page Up / Page Down is the only way to move up and down a single page PDF. The first time this happened I couldn't get to a vital piece of information at the bottom of a document until I reopened it in PDFpenPro. Yes, Preview's new behaviour stinks. And no, I'm not buying a Trackpad at that silly price. I can get a backup keyboard and a couple or three meeces for that amount. -- Paul Sture
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 15:15 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <5295015c$0$9159$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #19619 |
On 13-11-26 14:51, Paul Sture wrote: > Page Up / Page Down is the only way to move up and down a single page > PDF. Isn't there a way to force scroll bars to appear post Snow Leopard ?
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| From | <henry@att.net> |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 12:35 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <261120131235062610%henry@att.net> |
| In reply to | #19620 |
In article <5295015c$0$9159$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 13-11-26 14:51, Paul Sture wrote: > > > Page Up / Page Down is the only way to move up and down a single page > > PDF. > > > Isn't there a way to force scroll bars to appear post Snow Leopard ? > System Preferences / General Show scroll bars 1. Automatically based on mouse or trackpad 2. When Scrolling 3. Always
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 14:15 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013112614153176938-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #19621 |
On 2013-11-26 20:35:06 +0000, <henry@att.net> said: > In article <5295015c$0$9159$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com>, JF > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > >> On 13-11-26 14:51, Paul Sture wrote: >> >>> Page Up / Page Down is the only way to move up and down a single page >>> PDF. >> >> >> Isn't there a way to force scroll bars to appear post Snow Leopard ? >> > > System Preferences / General > > Show scroll bars > > 1. Automatically based on mouse or trackpad > 2. When Scrolling > 3. Always Been there done that, I have "Always" selected, I believe that applies to finder windows. However, in Preview that does nothing to restore the scroll bars especially with a PDF zoomed in larger than the window. -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | Joe Di Domenico <joedid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 18:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l73a0g$dp3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #19622 |
>>> Isn't there a way to force scroll bars to appear post Snow Leopard ? >>> >> >> System Preferences / General >> >> Show scroll bars >> >> 1. Automatically based on mouse or trackpad >> 2. When Scrolling >> 3. Always > > Been there done that, I have "Always" selected, I believe that applies > to finder windows. However, in Preview that does nothing to restore the > scroll bars especially with a PDF zoomed in larger than the window. They appear here with a zoomed PDF, with "Always" checked. Preview 7, 10.9
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-26 18:07 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013112618075410723-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #19624 |
On 2013-11-26 23:14:26 +0000, Joe Di Domenico <joedid@invalid.com> said: > >>> Isn't there a way to force scroll bars to appear post Snow Leopard ? >>>> >>> >>> System Preferences / General >>> >>> Show scroll bars >>> >>> 1. Automatically based on mouse or trackpad >>> 2. When Scrolling >>> 3. Always >> >> Been there done that, I have "Always" selected, I believe that applies >> to finder windows. However, in Preview that does nothing to restore the >> scroll bars especially with a PDF zoomed in larger than the window. > > They appear here with a zoomed PDF, with "Always" checked. Preview 7, 10.9 Well that is not the result I get with "Always" checked in OSX 10.9; < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_412.jpg > ...and with a zoomed PDF open in Preview 7.0; < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_411.jpg > No scroll bar to be found. I've shown you mine why don't you show me yours? ;-) -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2013-11-27 12:21 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1lcztl7.1yrz1izfp0y30N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #19622 |
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2013-11-26 20:35:06 +0000, <henry@att.net> said:
>
> > In article <5295015c$0$9159$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> On 13-11-26 14:51, Paul Sture wrote:
> >>
> >>> Page Up / Page Down is the only way to move up and down a single page
> >>> PDF.
> >>
> >>
> >> Isn't there a way to force scroll bars to appear post Snow Leopard ?
> >>
> >
> > System Preferences / General
> >
> > Show scroll bars
> >
> > 1. Automatically based on mouse or trackpad
> > 2. When Scrolling
> > 3. Always
>
> Been there done that, I have "Always" selected, I believe that applies
> to finder windows. However, in Preview that does nothing to restore the
> scroll bars especially with a PDF zoomed in larger than the window.
Works fine here. I have "Always" selected, and Preview is showing a
vertical scroll bar even if I zoom out far enough to see the entire
document. If I change the setting in System Preferences, the scroll bars
appear or disappear immediately in Preview, Finder and most other
applications. In older applications (including MacSOUP), the scroll bars
are always there no matter which setting I use.
On the other hand, Preview (in OS X 10.9) does NOT have a horizontal
scroll bar under any setting or scroll activity.
--
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2013-11-26 18:16 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2013112618165184470-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #19625 |
On 2013-11-26 23:21:08 +0000, dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) said:
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-11-26 20:35:06 +0000, <henry@att.net> said:
>>
>>> In article <5295015c$0$9159$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com>, JF
>>> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 13-11-26 14:51, Paul Sture wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Page Up / Page Down is the only way to move up and down a single page
>>>>> PDF.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Isn't there a way to force scroll bars to appear post Snow Leopard ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> System Preferences / General
>>>
>>> Show scroll bars
>>>
>>> 1. Automatically based on mouse or trackpad
>>> 2. When Scrolling
>>> 3. Always
>>
>> Been there done that, I have "Always" selected, I believe that applies
>> to finder windows. However, in Preview that does nothing to restore the
>> scroll bars especially with a PDF zoomed in larger than the window.
>
> Works fine here. I have "Always" selected, and Preview is showing a
> vertical scroll bar even if I zoom out far enough to see the entire
> document. If I change the setting in System Preferences, the scroll bars
> appear or disappear immediately in Preview, Finder and most other
> applications. In older applications (including MacSOUP), the scroll bars
> are always there no matter which setting I use.
>
> On the other hand, Preview (in OS X 10.9) does NOT have a horizontal
> scroll bar under any setting or scroll activity.
With a JPEG zoomed over window size I get both vertical & horizontal
scroll bars in OSX 10.9 & Preview 7.
< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_413.jpg >
...but not so with a PDF, with that there are no scroll bars.
< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_411.jpg >
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2013-11-28 13:45 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1ld1lzx.1qjn3b7y8zokgN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #19633 |
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2013-11-26 23:21:08 +0000, dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) said:
>
> > Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2013-11-26 20:35:06 +0000, <henry@att.net> said:
> >>
> >>> In article <5295015c$0$9159$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> >>> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 13-11-26 14:51, Paul Sture wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Page Up / Page Down is the only way to move up and down a single page
> >>>>> PDF.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Isn't there a way to force scroll bars to appear post Snow Leopard ?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> System Preferences / General
> >>>
> >>> Show scroll bars
> >>>
> >>> 1. Automatically based on mouse or trackpad
> >>> 2. When Scrolling
> >>> 3. Always
> >>
> >> Been there done that, I have "Always" selected, I believe that applies
> >> to finder windows. However, in Preview that does nothing to restore the
> >> scroll bars especially with a PDF zoomed in larger than the window.
> >
> > Works fine here. I have "Always" selected, and Preview is showing a
> > vertical scroll bar even if I zoom out far enough to see the entire
> > document. If I change the setting in System Preferences, the scroll bars
> > appear or disappear immediately in Preview, Finder and most other
> > applications. In older applications (including MacSOUP), the scroll bars
> > are always there no matter which setting I use.
> >
> > On the other hand, Preview (in OS X 10.9) does NOT have a horizontal
> > scroll bar under any setting or scroll activity.
>
> With a JPEG zoomed over window size I get both vertical & horizontal
> scroll bars in OSX 10.9 & Preview 7.
> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_413.jpg >
Same here - I was trying a PDF, didn't think to try an image file like
JPEG.
> ...but not so with a PDF, with that there are no scroll bars.
> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_411.jpg >
Is it only affecting some PDFs or are you not getting scroll bars on any
PDF? I get a vertical scroll bar on single and multi-page PDFs at all
zoom levels.
I found a PDF I had which wasn't a standard paper size, and on that PDF
I don't get a vertical scroll bar in Preview, unless I resize the window
vertically at certain zoom levels.
Most of my PDFs are A4 (21 x 29.71 cm), and several are US Letter (21.59
x 27.94 cm).
The particular one which didn't have scroll bars in the initial view was
17.05 x 25.4 cm, and it was a single page.
--
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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