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Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022

From Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com>
Newsgroups comp.theory, comp.ai.philosophy
Subject Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022
Date 2025-10-29 02:19 +0000
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <20251028190906.519@kylheku.com> (permalink)
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On 2025-10-29, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/28/2025 7:25 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> Under your system, I don't know whether Y is correct.
>> 
>> Y could be a broken decider that is wrongly deciding D (and /that/
>> is why its execution trace differs from X).
>> 
>> Or it could be the case that D is a non-input to Y, in which case Y is
>> deemed to be correct because D being a non-input to Y means that D
>> denotes non-halting semantics to Y (and /that/ is why its execution
>> trace differs from X).
>> 
>> The fact that the execution trace differs doesn't inform.
>> 
>> We need to know the value of is_input(Y, D): we need to /decide/ whether
>> D is non-input or input to Y in order to /decide/ whether its rejection
>> is correct.
>> 
>
> Whatever is a correct simulation of an input by
> a decider is the behavior that must be reported on.

But under your system, if I am a user of deciders, and have been
given a decider H which is certified to be correct, I cannot
rely on it to decide halting.

I want to know whether D halts, that's all.

H says no. It is certified correct under your paradigm, so
so I don't have to suspect that if it is given an /input/
it will be wrong.

But: I have no idea whether D is an input to H or a non-input!

When H says 0, I have no idea whether it's being judged non-halting
as an input, or whether it's being judged as a non-input (whereby
either value is the correct answer as far as H is concerned).

Again, I just want to know, does D halt?

Under your paradigm, even though I have a certified correct H,
I am not informed.

Under the standard halting problem, I am not informed because
I /don't/ have a certified correct H; it doesn't exist.

Under your paradigm, I have a deemed-correct H, which is
excused for giving a garbage answer on non-inputs, which
I have no way to identify.

How am I better off in your paradigm?

Do I use 10 different certified deciders, and take a majority vote?

But the function which combines 10 deciders into a majority vote
is itself a decider! And that 10-majority-decider function can be
targeted by a diagonal test case ... and such a test case is now
a non-input.  See?

>> You are not looking at it from the perspective of a /consumer/ of a
>> /decider product/ actually trying to use deciders and trust their
>> answer.
>
> Whatever is a correct simulation of an input by
> a decider is the behavior that must be reported on.

But how does the user interpret that result?

The user just wants to know, does this thing halt or not?

How does it answer the user's question?

The user's question is not incorrect; it may be incorrect when
posed to H, in which case the user needs some other H, like H1.

How do they decide between H and H1?


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                Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 22:00 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 23:05 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 22:13 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 23:16 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 22:25 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 23:29 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-21 03:20 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 22:29 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 06:56 -0500
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                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 15:04 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 10:08 -0500
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                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 10:40 -0500
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                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 11:13 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 18:55 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 13:30 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 13:34 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 08:43 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 09:46 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 15:40 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 10:47 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 17:07 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 12:11 -0500
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                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 18:40 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-10-22 13:24 -0600
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:30 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:31 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-10-22 20:34 +0100
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 19:52 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:00 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 20:20 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:35 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 16:43 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 --- NST olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 16:12 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 --- NST "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:32 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 --- NST dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 17:50 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 --- NST Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 23:01 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 --- NST olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 09:55 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 --- NST Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 16:47 +0000
                "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 12:22 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 11:50 -0700
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 21:11 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-23 21:33 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 17:14 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 23:41 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-24 07:34 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-24 02:47 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-24 12:04 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-24 09:54 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-10-25 15:36 +0300
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-25 15:30 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-25 13:34 -0700
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-10-26 14:03 +0200
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-28 15:39 +0000
                D simulated by H cannot possibly reach past its own first line olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 11:40 -0500
                "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 17:08 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 15:21 -0700
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 15:26 -0700
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 18:40 -0400
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 17:48 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 19:09 -0400
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 23:55 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 19:00 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 23:45 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 18:51 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 20:14 -0400
                "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 17:14 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 18:33 -0400
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 23:15 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 18:24 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 20:14 -0400
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 01:22 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 20:47 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 22:13 -0400
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                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 22:12 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 13:09 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:41 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:44 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:45 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:46 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:28 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 19:55 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:01 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 21:56 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 17:00 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 23:04 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:25 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:29 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 19:30 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:43 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:45 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 20:17 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:32 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:38 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 13:10 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 20:15 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:30 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 13:36 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-28 08:35 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 09:36 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 16:33 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 11:49 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 14:23 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 19:04 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 12:19 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 16:01 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:50 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 15:51 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:58 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-10-29 03:16 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 22:26 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 23:34 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 05:45 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-10-29 07:32 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 13:31 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 16:35 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 12:13 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-28 18:32 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 13:46 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-28 19:28 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 15:53 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-28 21:06 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 16:14 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:31 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 19:37 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 15:57 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-28 21:09 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 16:22 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 21:43 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 16:53 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 22:03 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:08 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 22:18 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:59 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 22:14 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:28 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 23:52 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 19:01 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 00:25 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 19:33 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:56 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:57 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 02:19 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 21:43 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-10-28 23:07 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 05:36 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 11:12 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 17:21 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:38 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 15:16 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 18:21 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:13 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 15:13 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-11-03 14:12 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 10:20 -0600
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-11-03 17:06 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 11:22 -0600
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-11-03 17:26 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 11:55 -0600
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-11-03 17:57 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-03 20:29 +0000
                Addressing duffer-speak olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 14:46 -0600
                Re: Addressing duffer-speak Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-03 20:59 +0000
                Re: Addressing duffer-speak olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 15:03 -0600
                Re: Addressing duffer-speak "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 13:00 -0800
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-29 09:47 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 08:40 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-29 14:12 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 11:15 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-29 16:37 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 11:54 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-29 17:24 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 12:37 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 13:44 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 12:55 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 15:42 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-29 17:49 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 13:00 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:15 -0700
                fuck chris dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-29 14:17 -0700
                Re: fuck chris olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 16:44 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:53 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:14 -0700
                fuck chris dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-29 14:16 -0700
                Re: fuck chris "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:40 -0700
                Re: fuck chris dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-29 14:42 -0700
                Re: fuck chris "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 15:22 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:11 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:29 -0700
  Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-14 22:02 -0800

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