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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | rec.arts.sf.written |
| Subject | Re: Undeservedly famous |
| Date | 2018-04-16 00:55 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <20180415c@crcomp.net> (permalink) |
| References | <44fc81e3-45d7-47ae-970e-a5d9fbe8f4b0@googlegroups.com> <p772oB.zqM@kithrup.com> <pauhg5$c5q$2@dont-email.me> <fjg0l6Fj6d6U1@mid.individual.net> <p77ns8.24u7@kithrup.com> |
Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
> In article <fjg0l6Fj6d6U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
<snip>
>>Personally I loved TEFL; it's just not a novel. _Friday_ was not bad though
>>it kind of ran out of steam iirc. IWFNE I liked in parts, but I couldn't
>>really get past the fantasy aspect of the woman's mind remaing after her
>>brain had been swapped out. If I'm remembering that right. Been a while.
>>
>>I've been saving _Job_ and _Cat_ (and _The Door Into Summer_) for some point
>>in the future.
>
> Read _Door_ now and forget the other two.
>
> (Again, IMO. When I reread _Door_ I tend to skip the whole first
> section until the protagonist wakes from cold-sleep the first
> time. This allows me to reach the scene quickly wherein the
> girlfriend from hell gets her comeuppance.)
>
Amen to _Door_. (_Job_ and _Cat_ remain unread by me.)
_Door_'s femme fatale is sorry that she got busted as a two-timer,
but she's not sorry she two-timed. She's sorry that DB spurned her, but
she's not sorry she made herself available to DB. She plays the odds.
She probably bitterly respects DB for having the sense to spurn her.
Ted, TEFL is more of a story collection than a stand-alone novel?
That might explain my difficultly in reading it all the way through. My
expectation with a novel is that after a few chapters the larger plot
reveals itself. And the larger plot of TEFL never reveals itself to me.
Perhaps if each chapter in TEFL is treated as a stand-alone the
collection will become readable to me. That's how _Neutron Star_ (Niven)
and other Niven collections work for me. There's no expectations of a
larger plot in the first place so there's no frustration when it fails
to appear.
Thank you,
--
Don
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