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From djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Subject Re: Undeservedly famous
Message-ID <p77ns8.24u7@kithrup.com> (permalink)
Date 2018-04-15 05:12 +0000
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In article <fjg0l6Fj6d6U1@mid.individual.net>,
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>In article <pauhg5$c5q$2@dont-email.me>,
>Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On 4/14/2018 4:36 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <ofudnf_w2c9SyE_HnZ2dnUU7-W3NnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>> Steve Dodds  <sdodds@nova-optical.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/13/2018 10:44 PM, The Zygon wrote:
>>>>> I suspect that everyone knows at least one story or book which is
>>>> quite famous, but which they think is crap. Or at minimum cannot see
>>>> what is so great about the story or book.  I suspect that many people
>>>> know of just such stories or books, even authors whose body of work they
>>>> think is quite undeserving of the praise heaped upon them.
>>>>>
>>>>> One author whose work I don't like and whose fame I don't quite get is
>>>> _Spider Robinson_.  And one story whose fame I don't quite get is
>>>> _Fahrenheit 451_.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not going to try to justify my feelings about this author or this
>>>> story.  I find such debates about aesthetics very similar to theological
>>>> debates.  A whole of feeling and a whole lot of talking past each other,
>>>> other ending in hurt feelings and no agreement.   I prefer to just avoid
>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   I love Robert Heinlein and have read everything he wrote, but Stranger
>>>> in a strange land was incomprehensible, I would have quit but I kept
>>>> thinking there's no way a Heinlein book can be this bad, it's going to
>>>> get better any minuet now.
>>> 
>>> My understanding is that Heinlein began _Stranger_ and then put
>>> it aside for a while, figuring it wouldn't sell.  And then picked
>>> it up again a decade or so later, figuring that by now his name
>>> could sell anything, including his laundry list.  And
>>> unfortunately, he was right.
>>> 
>>> My opinion, as stated a couple-three times before:
>>> 
>>>> It's easy to tell good from bad Heinlein: all you have to do is
>>>> look at the copyright date.
>>>>
>>>> Anything before 1964 = good, except for _Stranger in a Strange
>>>> Land,_ first third good, second two-thirds bad
>>>>
>>>> _Farnham's Freehold_, 1964 = bad
>>>>
>>>> _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_, 1966 = good
>>>>
>>>> Anything after 1966 = bad, bad, bad
>>
>>_Friday_ ???
>>
>>_I Will Fear No Evil_ ??? was a scary prediction of the near future, 
>>brain transfer of the old into the young.
>>
>>Lynn
>>
>>
>
>Personally I loved TEFL; it's just not a novel.  _Friday_ was not bad though
>it kind of ran out of steam iirc.  IWFNE I liked in parts, but I couldn't
>really get past the fantasy aspect of the woman's mind remaing after her
>brain had been swapped out.  If I'm remembering that right.  Been a while.
>
>I've been saving _Job_ and _Cat_ (and _The Door Into Summer_) for some point
>in the future.

Read _Door_ now and forget the other two.

(Again, IMO.  When I reread _Door_ I tend to skip the whole first
section until the protagonist wakes from cold-sleep the first
time.  This allows me to reach the scene quickly wherein the
girlfriend from hell gets her comeuppance.)

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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