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| Started by | The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-04-13 21:44 -0700 |
| Last post | 2018-05-05 18:03 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 290 — 42 participants |
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Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 21:44 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-13 23:30 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-14 03:44 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 10:16 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-14 21:40 +0300
Re: Undeservedly famous "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 19:28 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2018-04-15 15:19 +1200
Re: Undeservedly famous "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 09:10 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-15 20:11 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:37 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:38 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:43 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-16 13:53 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:32 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 22:21 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 01:39 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 17:26 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 23:35 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 18:44 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 23:03 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:35 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-04-15 16:21 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2018-04-15 23:39 +0000
Undeservedly famous Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 06:16 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 11:28 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 22:34 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 07:45 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-17 18:59 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-04-14 16:37 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-14 16:57 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-14 14:15 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-14 21:32 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:37 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 02:42 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:25 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 02:45 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-15 01:01 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-15 01:46 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 14:47 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:40 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 14:49 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 16:31 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-15 19:17 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:40 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 14:56 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 13:07 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-04-16 21:54 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 15:09 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 22:23 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 16:28 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> - 2018-04-14 13:26 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-14 21:36 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:36 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 02:46 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 22:38 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-15 03:53 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 05:12 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-16 00:55 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-16 15:46 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:45 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 13:01 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 23:02 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 05:13 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:56 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 05:09 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:43 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-04-15 16:45 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:42 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:41 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:46 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous eichler2@comcastsucks.net (Bice) - 2018-04-16 13:05 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 13:19 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-04-16 19:31 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:29 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:30 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 22:49 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 23:17 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-15 01:49 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 08:13 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:47 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-15 17:50 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 14:30 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 20:20 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 15:04 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-15 14:16 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 17:19 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 22:20 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 16:51 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 23:18 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 19:07 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-15 19:25 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 21:12 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2018-04-15 22:02 -0300
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-15 22:15 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 17:07 +0300
Re: Undeservedly famous news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2018-04-16 15:25 +0100
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 14:39 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 09:04 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-16 10:29 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 11:32 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 21:54 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 17:50 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:33 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 14:19 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-16 12:35 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 09:02 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:56 +0300
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 13:45 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 21:56 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 19:16 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 05:33 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 21:00 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 05:36 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-16 01:03 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-17 22:59 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-18 13:37 +0000
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Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-18 19:45 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-18 21:15 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 16:11 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 14:34 -0700
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Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 08:41 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:03 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:40 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 08:40 -0700
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Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-21 15:38 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-18 21:15 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-21 01:15 -0500
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Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 21:28 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 01:06 -0400
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Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-19 03:40 +0000
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Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 10:23 -0700
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Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 13:04 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-19 21:32 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 22:35 +0000
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Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 01:10 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 19:37 -0600
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 14:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p78EII.1s28@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490299 |
In article <af3e84d6-3b59-4301-9848-0908064434d2@googlegroups.com>, The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote: >On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 12:37:47 PM UTC-4, Garrett Wollman wrote: >> In article <44fc81e3-45d7-47ae-970e-a5d9fbe8f4b0@googlegroups.com>, >> The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote: >> >One author whose work I don't like and whose fame I don't quite get is >> >_Spider Robinson_. And one story whose fame I don't quite get is >> >_Fahrenheit 451_. >> > >> >I am not going to try to justify my feelings about this author or this >> >story. I find such debates about aesthetics very similar to theological >> >debates. A whole of feeling and a whole lot of talking past each other, >> >other ending in hurt feelings and no agreement. I prefer to just avoid >> >them. >> > >> >But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. >> >> Seriously, JRRT. The third time I put down LoTR less than halfway >> through, I gave up on any prospect of making it all the way to the >> end. >> >LOTR is the sci fi _War And Peace_. Hm. If I had ever read the original _War and Peace_, I'd be in a position to comment on that. I haven't, so I won't. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 16:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <31c82400-c1db-41e8-88f6-ed0f19757124@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #490329 |
Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >In article <af3e84d6-3b59-4301-9848-0908064434d2@googlegroups.com>, The Zygon <staffor...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>LOTR is the sci fi _War And Peace_. > >Hm. If I had ever read the original _War and Peace_, I'd be in a >position to comment on that. I haven't, so I won't. The joke is that it is the fact that you *have* read The Lord of the Rings that debars you from comment! -- -Jack
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 19:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <693ae8c6-58a3-4f34-8d7d-2c496d7828bb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #490395 |
On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 5:31:58 PM UTC-6, Jack Bohn wrote: > Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > > >In article <af3e84d6-3b59-4301-9848-0908064434d2@googlegroups.com>, The Zygon <staffor...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >>LOTR is the sci fi _War And Peace_. > > > >Hm. If I had ever read the original _War and Peace_, I'd be in a > >position to comment on that. I haven't, so I won't. > > The joke is that it is the fact that you *have* read The Lord of the Rings that debars you from comment! I remember a friend telling me that the book she was assigned to read in high school one week was The Lord of the Rings. I responded with the query: "And what book did they assign you to read _next_ week, _War and Peace_?"... The Tolkien work that is assigned as reading in Alberta high schools, of course, is instead The Hobbit, so the mistake was understandable. But as anyone can see, whether or not they've read *either* book, is that both have large page counts. John Savard
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 05:40 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <fjgs0uFp2b7U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #490236 |
wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) wrote: >The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote: >>But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. > >Seriously, JRRT. The third time I put down LoTR less than halfway >through, I gave up on any prospect of making it all the way to the >end. I think Tolkein has to be first read at a certain age. I didn't read it at that age because I was reading not-fantasy. Reading it later just didn't work for me. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 14:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p78Ets.1sr7@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490312 |
In article <fjgs0uFp2b7U2@mid.individual.net>, Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: >wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) wrote: >>The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote: >>>But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. >> >>Seriously, JRRT. The third time I put down LoTR less than halfway >>through, I gave up on any prospect of making it all the way to the >>end. > >I think Tolkein has to be first read at a certain age. I didn't read >it at that age because I was reading not-fantasy. Reading it later >just didn't work for me. Whereas I didn't discover Tolkien till I was in graduate school and (as I've said elsewhere) discovered it in the *Children's Section* of the Education/Psychology Library at UCB. I don't even remember why I was browsing in that section, either. But when I did, I was hooked. I took the first two volumes home for the weekend, figuring they would last me that time and longer. By Sunday afternoon I had finished _The Two Towers_ and the E/P Library wasn't open on Sundays. I imagined all kinds of ways of getting Frodo out of Minas Morgul, none of which in any way resembled what Tolkien actually did, and I've forgotten what they were. :) -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-16 13:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9dbefa12-8787-471f-b406-3ceca0283665@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #490312 |
On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 7:40:16 AM UTC-4, Greg Goss wrote: > wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) wrote: > >The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote: > >>But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. > > > >Seriously, JRRT. The third time I put down LoTR less than halfway > >through, I gave up on any prospect of making it all the way to the > >end. > > I think Tolkein has to be first read at a certain age. Evidence argues otherwise. William Hyde
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| From | Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-16 21:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <robertaw-FB14AF.21543816042018@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #490478 |
In article <9dbefa12-8787-471f-b406-3ceca0283665@googlegroups.com>, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 7:40:16 AM UTC-4, Greg Goss wrote: > > wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) wrote: > > >The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. > > > > > >Seriously, JRRT. The third time I put down LoTR less than halfway > > >through, I gave up on any prospect of making it all the way to the > > >end. > > > > I think Tolkein has to be first read at a certain age. > > Evidence argues otherwise. I am inclined to agree; IIRC, I bogged down before I reached the Council of Elrond when I was 15 or so (it was a classmate's copy, I suspect that he had read the entire trilogy - Ace paperback edition BTW). I didn't read the whole story until I was in college. -- "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement." Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. —----------------------------------------------------- Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com
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| From | Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-16 15:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA8C69A26915EBtaustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #490312 |
Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote in
news:fjgs0uFp2b7U2@mid.individual.net:
> wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) wrote:
>>The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from
>>>others.
>>
>>Seriously, JRRT. The third time I put down LoTR less than
>>halfway through, I gave up on any prospect of making it all the
>>way to the end.
>
> I think Tolkein has to be first read at a certain age. I didn't
> read it at that age because I was reading not-fantasy. Reading
> it later just didn't work for me.
Tolkein's writing style was drawn-out and tedious when I was a
teenage, and ahs remained so every time I've re-read it since. Hell
of a story teller, but not so much as a writer.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-16 22:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7Au7y.sIx@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490485 |
In article <XnsA8C69A26915EBtaustingmail@69.16.179.43>, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote: >Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote in >news:fjgs0uFp2b7U2@mid.individual.net: > >> wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) wrote: >>>The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from >>>>others. >>> >>>Seriously, JRRT. The third time I put down LoTR less than >>>halfway through, I gave up on any prospect of making it all the >>>way to the end. >> >> I think Tolkein has to be first read at a certain age. I didn't >> read it at that age because I was reading not-fantasy. Reading >> it later just didn't work for me. > >Tolkein's writing style was drawn-out and tedious when I was a >teenage, and ahs remained so every time I've re-read it since. Hell >of a story teller, but not so much as a writer. You are entitled to your opinion, as I to mine. Cf. LeGuin, "From Elfland to Poughkeepsie." -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-04-16 16:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA8C6A7A511B88taustingmail@69.16.179.42> |
| In reply to | #490496 |
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:p7Au7y.sIx@kithrup.com:
> In article <XnsA8C69A26915EBtaustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote in
>>news:fjgs0uFp2b7U2@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) wrote:
>>>>The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors
>>>>>from others.
>>>>
>>>>Seriously, JRRT. The third time I put down LoTR less than
>>>>halfway through, I gave up on any prospect of making it all
>>>>the way to the end.
>>>
>>> I think Tolkein has to be first read at a certain age. I
>>> didn't read it at that age because I was reading not-fantasy.
>>> Reading it later just didn't work for me.
>>
>>Tolkein's writing style was drawn-out and tedious when I was a
>>teenage, and ahs remained so every time I've re-read it since.
>>Hell of a story teller, but not so much as a writer.
>
> You are entitled to your opinion, as I to mine.
You will note that I do reread it from time to time.
(Crappy writing but outstanding storytelling is a trait that J. K.
Rowling shares.)
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-14 13:26 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <ofudnf_w2c9SyE_HnZ2dnUU7-W3NnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #490212 |
On 4/13/2018 10:44 PM, The Zygon wrote: > I suspect that everyone knows at least one story or book which is quite famous, but which they think is crap. Or at minimum cannot see what is so great about the story or book. I suspect that many people know of just such stories or books, even authors whose body of work they think is quite undeserving of the praise heaped upon them. > > One author whose work I don't like and whose fame I don't quite get is _Spider Robinson_. And one story whose fame I don't quite get is _Fahrenheit 451_. > > I am not going to try to justify my feelings about this author or this story. I find such debates about aesthetics very similar to theological debates. A whole of feeling and a whole lot of talking past each other, other ending in hurt feelings and no agreement. I prefer to just avoid them. > > But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. > I love Robert Heinlein and have read everything he wrote, but Stranger in a strange land was incomprehensible, I would have quit but I kept thinking there's no way a Heinlein book can be this bad, it's going to get better any minuet now.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-14 21:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p772oB.zqM@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490246 |
In article <ofudnf_w2c9SyE_HnZ2dnUU7-W3NnZ2d@giganews.com>, Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> wrote: >On 4/13/2018 10:44 PM, The Zygon wrote: >> I suspect that everyone knows at least one story or book which is >quite famous, but which they think is crap. Or at minimum cannot see >what is so great about the story or book. I suspect that many people >know of just such stories or books, even authors whose body of work they >think is quite undeserving of the praise heaped upon them. >> >> One author whose work I don't like and whose fame I don't quite get is >_Spider Robinson_. And one story whose fame I don't quite get is >_Fahrenheit 451_. >> >> I am not going to try to justify my feelings about this author or this >story. I find such debates about aesthetics very similar to theological >debates. A whole of feeling and a whole lot of talking past each other, >other ending in hurt feelings and no agreement. I prefer to just avoid >them. >> >> But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. >> > > I love Robert Heinlein and have read everything he wrote, but Stranger >in a strange land was incomprehensible, I would have quit but I kept >thinking there's no way a Heinlein book can be this bad, it's going to >get better any minuet now. My understanding is that Heinlein began _Stranger_ and then put it aside for a while, figuring it wouldn't sell. And then picked it up again a decade or so later, figuring that by now his name could sell anything, including his laundry list. And unfortunately, he was right. My opinion, as stated a couple-three times before: > It's easy to tell good from bad Heinlein: all you have to do is > look at the copyright date. > > Anything before 1964 = good, except for _Stranger in a Strange > Land,_ first third good, second two-thirds bad > > _Farnham's Freehold_, 1964 = bad > > _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_, 1966 = good > > Anything after 1966 = bad, bad, bad -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-04-14 19:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <68e45b1f-e7c5-4616-9f23-1d9e23e2be88@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #490250 |
On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 4:00:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > My understanding is that Heinlein began _Stranger_ and then put > it aside for a while, figuring it wouldn't sell. And then picked > it up again a decade or so later, figuring that by now his name > could sell anything, including his laundry list. And > unfortunately, he was right. Unlike Heinlein's *later* works, though, Stranger in a Strange Land was not so bad that its publication was an unfortunate event. John Savard
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 02:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p77H11.1rtH@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490262 |
In article <68e45b1f-e7c5-4616-9f23-1d9e23e2be88@googlegroups.com>, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 4:00:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > >> My understanding is that Heinlein began _Stranger_ and then put >> it aside for a while, figuring it wouldn't sell. And then picked >> it up again a decade or so later, figuring that by now his name >> could sell anything, including his laundry list. And >> unfortunately, he was right. > >Unlike Heinlein's *later* works, though, Stranger in a Strange Land was >not so bad >that its publication was an unfortunate event. You are entitled to your opinion, as I to mine. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-14 22:38 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pauhg5$c5q$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #490250 |
On 4/14/2018 4:36 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <ofudnf_w2c9SyE_HnZ2dnUU7-W3NnZ2d@giganews.com>, > Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> wrote: >> On 4/13/2018 10:44 PM, The Zygon wrote: >>> I suspect that everyone knows at least one story or book which is >> quite famous, but which they think is crap. Or at minimum cannot see >> what is so great about the story or book. I suspect that many people >> know of just such stories or books, even authors whose body of work they >> think is quite undeserving of the praise heaped upon them. >>> >>> One author whose work I don't like and whose fame I don't quite get is >> _Spider Robinson_. And one story whose fame I don't quite get is >> _Fahrenheit 451_. >>> >>> I am not going to try to justify my feelings about this author or this >> story. I find such debates about aesthetics very similar to theological >> debates. A whole of feeling and a whole lot of talking past each other, >> other ending in hurt feelings and no agreement. I prefer to just avoid >> them. >>> >>> But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. >>> >> >> I love Robert Heinlein and have read everything he wrote, but Stranger >> in a strange land was incomprehensible, I would have quit but I kept >> thinking there's no way a Heinlein book can be this bad, it's going to >> get better any minuet now. > > My understanding is that Heinlein began _Stranger_ and then put > it aside for a while, figuring it wouldn't sell. And then picked > it up again a decade or so later, figuring that by now his name > could sell anything, including his laundry list. And > unfortunately, he was right. > > My opinion, as stated a couple-three times before: > >> It's easy to tell good from bad Heinlein: all you have to do is >> look at the copyright date. >> >> Anything before 1964 = good, except for _Stranger in a Strange >> Land,_ first third good, second two-thirds bad >> >> _Farnham's Freehold_, 1964 = bad >> >> _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_, 1966 = good >> >> Anything after 1966 = bad, bad, bad _Friday_ ??? _I Will Fear No Evil_ ??? was a scary prediction of the near future, brain transfer of the old into the young. Lynn
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 03:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fjg0l6Fj6d6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #490272 |
In article <pauhg5$c5q$2@dont-email.me>, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote: >On 4/14/2018 4:36 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> In article <ofudnf_w2c9SyE_HnZ2dnUU7-W3NnZ2d@giganews.com>, >> Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> wrote: >>> On 4/13/2018 10:44 PM, The Zygon wrote: >>>> I suspect that everyone knows at least one story or book which is >>> quite famous, but which they think is crap. Or at minimum cannot see >>> what is so great about the story or book. I suspect that many people >>> know of just such stories or books, even authors whose body of work they >>> think is quite undeserving of the praise heaped upon them. >>>> >>>> One author whose work I don't like and whose fame I don't quite get is >>> _Spider Robinson_. And one story whose fame I don't quite get is >>> _Fahrenheit 451_. >>>> >>>> I am not going to try to justify my feelings about this author or this >>> story. I find such debates about aesthetics very similar to theological >>> debates. A whole of feeling and a whole lot of talking past each other, >>> other ending in hurt feelings and no agreement. I prefer to just avoid >>> them. >>>> >>>> But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. >>>> >>> >>> I love Robert Heinlein and have read everything he wrote, but Stranger >>> in a strange land was incomprehensible, I would have quit but I kept >>> thinking there's no way a Heinlein book can be this bad, it's going to >>> get better any minuet now. >> >> My understanding is that Heinlein began _Stranger_ and then put >> it aside for a while, figuring it wouldn't sell. And then picked >> it up again a decade or so later, figuring that by now his name >> could sell anything, including his laundry list. And >> unfortunately, he was right. >> >> My opinion, as stated a couple-three times before: >> >>> It's easy to tell good from bad Heinlein: all you have to do is >>> look at the copyright date. >>> >>> Anything before 1964 = good, except for _Stranger in a Strange >>> Land,_ first third good, second two-thirds bad >>> >>> _Farnham's Freehold_, 1964 = bad >>> >>> _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_, 1966 = good >>> >>> Anything after 1966 = bad, bad, bad > >_Friday_ ??? > >_I Will Fear No Evil_ ??? was a scary prediction of the near future, >brain transfer of the old into the young. > >Lynn > > Personally I loved TEFL; it's just not a novel. _Friday_ was not bad though it kind of ran out of steam iirc. IWFNE I liked in parts, but I couldn't really get past the fantasy aspect of the woman's mind remaing after her brain had been swapped out. If I'm remembering that right. Been a while. I've been saving _Job_ and _Cat_ (and _The Door Into Summer_) for some point in the future. -- ------ columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 05:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p77ns8.24u7@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490274 |
In article <fjg0l6Fj6d6U1@mid.individual.net>, Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: >In article <pauhg5$c5q$2@dont-email.me>, >Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote: >>On 4/14/2018 4:36 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>> In article <ofudnf_w2c9SyE_HnZ2dnUU7-W3NnZ2d@giganews.com>, >>> Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> wrote: >>>> On 4/13/2018 10:44 PM, The Zygon wrote: >>>>> I suspect that everyone knows at least one story or book which is >>>> quite famous, but which they think is crap. Or at minimum cannot see >>>> what is so great about the story or book. I suspect that many people >>>> know of just such stories or books, even authors whose body of work they >>>> think is quite undeserving of the praise heaped upon them. >>>>> >>>>> One author whose work I don't like and whose fame I don't quite get is >>>> _Spider Robinson_. And one story whose fame I don't quite get is >>>> _Fahrenheit 451_. >>>>> >>>>> I am not going to try to justify my feelings about this author or this >>>> story. I find such debates about aesthetics very similar to theological >>>> debates. A whole of feeling and a whole lot of talking past each other, >>>> other ending in hurt feelings and no agreement. I prefer to just avoid >>>> them. >>>>> >>>>> But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I love Robert Heinlein and have read everything he wrote, but Stranger >>>> in a strange land was incomprehensible, I would have quit but I kept >>>> thinking there's no way a Heinlein book can be this bad, it's going to >>>> get better any minuet now. >>> >>> My understanding is that Heinlein began _Stranger_ and then put >>> it aside for a while, figuring it wouldn't sell. And then picked >>> it up again a decade or so later, figuring that by now his name >>> could sell anything, including his laundry list. And >>> unfortunately, he was right. >>> >>> My opinion, as stated a couple-three times before: >>> >>>> It's easy to tell good from bad Heinlein: all you have to do is >>>> look at the copyright date. >>>> >>>> Anything before 1964 = good, except for _Stranger in a Strange >>>> Land,_ first third good, second two-thirds bad >>>> >>>> _Farnham's Freehold_, 1964 = bad >>>> >>>> _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_, 1966 = good >>>> >>>> Anything after 1966 = bad, bad, bad >> >>_Friday_ ??? >> >>_I Will Fear No Evil_ ??? was a scary prediction of the near future, >>brain transfer of the old into the young. >> >>Lynn >> >> > >Personally I loved TEFL; it's just not a novel. _Friday_ was not bad though >it kind of ran out of steam iirc. IWFNE I liked in parts, but I couldn't >really get past the fantasy aspect of the woman's mind remaing after her >brain had been swapped out. If I'm remembering that right. Been a while. > >I've been saving _Job_ and _Cat_ (and _The Door Into Summer_) for some point >in the future. Read _Door_ now and forget the other two. (Again, IMO. When I reread _Door_ I tend to skip the whole first section until the protagonist wakes from cold-sleep the first time. This allows me to reach the scene quickly wherein the girlfriend from hell gets her comeuppance.) -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-16 00:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20180415c@crcomp.net> |
| In reply to | #490286 |
Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
> In article <fjg0l6Fj6d6U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
<snip>
>>Personally I loved TEFL; it's just not a novel. _Friday_ was not bad though
>>it kind of ran out of steam iirc. IWFNE I liked in parts, but I couldn't
>>really get past the fantasy aspect of the woman's mind remaing after her
>>brain had been swapped out. If I'm remembering that right. Been a while.
>>
>>I've been saving _Job_ and _Cat_ (and _The Door Into Summer_) for some point
>>in the future.
>
> Read _Door_ now and forget the other two.
>
> (Again, IMO. When I reread _Door_ I tend to skip the whole first
> section until the protagonist wakes from cold-sleep the first
> time. This allows me to reach the scene quickly wherein the
> girlfriend from hell gets her comeuppance.)
>
Amen to _Door_. (_Job_ and _Cat_ remain unread by me.)
_Door_'s femme fatale is sorry that she got busted as a two-timer,
but she's not sorry she two-timed. She's sorry that DB spurned her, but
she's not sorry she made herself available to DB. She plays the odds.
She probably bitterly respects DB for having the sense to spurn her.
Ted, TEFL is more of a story collection than a stand-alone novel?
That might explain my difficultly in reading it all the way through. My
expectation with a novel is that after a few chapters the larger plot
reveals itself. And the larger plot of TEFL never reveals itself to me.
Perhaps if each chapter in TEFL is treated as a stand-alone the
collection will become readable to me. That's how _Neutron Star_ (Niven)
and other Niven collections work for me. There's no expectations of a
larger plot in the first place so there's no frustration when it fails
to appear.
Thank you,
--
Don
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2018-04-16 15:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fjjuriFfs5rU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #490401 |
In article <20180415c@crcomp.net>, D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote: > >Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >> In article <fjg0l6Fj6d6U1@mid.individual.net>, >> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: > ><snip> > >>>Personally I loved TEFL; it's just not a novel. _Friday_ was not bad though >>>it kind of ran out of steam iirc. IWFNE I liked in parts, but I couldn't >>>really get past the fantasy aspect of the woman's mind remaing after her >>>brain had been swapped out. If I'm remembering that right. Been a while. >>> >>>I've been saving _Job_ and _Cat_ (and _The Door Into Summer_) for some point >>>in the future. >> >> Read _Door_ now and forget the other two. >> >> (Again, IMO. When I reread _Door_ I tend to skip the whole first >> section until the protagonist wakes from cold-sleep the first >> time. This allows me to reach the scene quickly wherein the >> girlfriend from hell gets her comeuppance.) >> > >Amen to _Door_. (_Job_ and _Cat_ remain unread by me.) > _Door_'s femme fatale is sorry that she got busted as a two-timer, >but she's not sorry she two-timed. She's sorry that DB spurned her, but >she's not sorry she made herself available to DB. She plays the odds. >She probably bitterly respects DB for having the sense to spurn her. > Ted, TEFL is more of a story collection than a stand-alone novel? Yeah, I would say so. Think of it as a "fixup". There's a framing story, but most of the good stuff is in the individual stories. -- ------ columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 05:45 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <fjgsa4Fp2b7U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #490274 |
ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote: >Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote: >>_I Will Fear No Evil_ ??? was a scary prediction of the near future, >>brain transfer of the old into the young. >> >>Lynn >> >> > >Personally I loved TEFL; it's just not a novel. _Friday_ was not bad though >it kind of ran out of steam iirc. IWFNE I liked in parts, but I couldn't >really get past the fantasy aspect of the woman's mind remaing after her >brain had been swapped out. If I'm remembering that right. Been a while. You're supposed to eventually conclude that he's imagining the whole thing. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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